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VRG
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NOTE ADDED BY ADMIN:

WE WILL USE THIS THREAD TO DISCUSS:
MORTGAGES IN USA,
TYPES OF MORTGAGES,
PREFERENCES (ARMs, Fixed, 15 year vs 30 year, etc),
INTEREST RATES, ETC

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Admins, members,

Please excuse me if this has been discussed in past.

I have read in many threads "don't payoff your home loan early". But I find support from both groups in the media:

1) One will suggest to put down a minimum and go for Arm or 30 yr fixed so that pmts are less and you can invest your savings in other avenues
2) Another group suggests the opposite i.e. one should put down 20% and go for 15or 10 yr if possible. Try to make make 1-2 extra pmt/yr..I guess they call it bi-weekly thing or even pay some of the principal if one can. So that you build equity and you're also paying off more principal instead of the interest.

Are there any statndard rules? Or it depends on one's AAP, tax bracket, R2I date etc.. etc?

Please advise.

Thanks.
Desi
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Post by Desi »

Paying biweekly towards a mortgage is different than taking a 15 year mortgage.

Any mortgage (15 or 30 year) instead of paying monthly, one can choose to pay biweekly.

Re whether a 15 year is better or a 30 year is better depends upon the interest rate differential and affordability to pay a bigger payment for 15 years.

Assuming that you can make either 15 year or 30 year payment, there are two issues to consider.

1. Should you choose to make a 30 year payment vs 15, what would you do with the extra money (difference in two payment amounts)? Invest it for long haul? A lot depends on your psyche. I prefer to invest it. This in essence becomes a 30 year DCA or a 15 year DCA should you choose to pay out last 15 years of mortgage payments from this or after 15 years pay out a lump sum. These are options to think about.

2. Often a 15 year mortgage will be available at a lower rate all other factors being equal. A few years back I had done some calculations and my rule of thumb is that if the 15 year mortgage is available at a rate that is at least 0.25% less than a 30 year rate, then a 15 year mortgage is better else not.

3. Lastly putting finances aside, a discipline of putting the extra money away is a factor. If that discipline is missing than you may be better off with 15 regardless that it may save you or cost you money.
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Desi;8025Paying biweekly towards a mortgage is different than taking a 15 year mortgage.

Any mortgage (15 or 30 year) instead of paying monthly, one can choose to pay biweekly.

Re whether a 15 year is better or a 30 year is better depends upon the interest rate differential and affordability to pay a bigger payment for 15 years.

Assuming that you can make either 15 year or 30 year payment, there are two issues to consider.

1. Should you choose to make a 30 year payment vs 15, what would you do with the extra money (difference in two payment amounts)? Invest it for long haul? A lot depends on your psyche. I prefer to invest it. This in essence becomes a 30 year DCA or a 15 year DCA should you choose to pay out last 15 years of mortgage payments from this or after 15 years pay out a lump sum. These are options to think about.

2. Often a 15 year mortgage will be available at a lower rate all other factors being equal. A few years back I had done some calculations and my rule of thumb is that if the 15 year mortgage is available at a rate that is at least 0.25% less than a 30 year rate, then a 15 year mortgage is better else not.

3. Lastly putting finances aside, a discipline of putting the extra money away is a factor. If that discipline is missing than you may be better off with 15 regardless that it may save you or cost you money.



Thanks Desi. I almost forgot about the rate diff..:) I took 15 yr for 5.125 and if I remember it correctly..30 yr was available @ 5.625 from same lender. I can also afford to pay bigger payment on a regular basis.

So I think it makes sense for me to stick with 15..correct?

I guess it aint gonna make much difference.
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Post by Desi »

Half a percent interest differential between 15 and 30 year loan is almost unheard of. 3/8ths is the best I have seen.

So, yes, 15 year is tremendously better deal. Better or not, you already have the loan and refinancing never comes free. So cost has to offset benefit during refinancings.

You are fine with what you have.
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Desi,

Thanks much for your help!!:)
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Post by Desi_by_Nature »

#1
my 2 cents:
You should take into account how long do you plan on owning this house.

If you think you'll want to be moving out in 3-5 years, then i'd say go for a mortgage that results in lowest monthly payments. I'd say even interest-only loans aren't a bad idea if you've studied the regional market well and think that you can break even in 3-5 years just by virtue of property appreciation (if you're thinking 3-5 years, then you're making that bet anyway).
This is because banks and lenders suck out most of the interest in the first 5 years, so assume that for the first 5 yrs only 10% of your monthly principal will go towards paying off the balance.
Why take a shorter term loan which has higher monthly payments, most of which is interest anyway?

Now if you're planning to stick with this house for 10 years or so, then perhaps a 15 yr mortgage makes sense.
VRG
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Desi_by_Nature;8050#1
my 2 cents:
You should take into account how long do you plan on owning this house.

If you think you'll want to be moving out in 3-5 years, then i'd say go for a mortgage that results in lowest monthly payments. I'd say even interest-only loans aren't a bad idea if you've studied the regional market well and think that you can break even in 3-5 years just by virtue of property appreciation (if you're thinking 3-5 years, then you're making that bet anyway).
This is because banks and lenders suck out most of the interest in the first 5 years, so assume that for the first 5 yrs only 10% of your monthly principal will go towards paying off the balance.
Why take a shorter term loan which has higher monthly payments, most of which is interest anyway?

Now if you're planning to stick with this house for 10 years or so, then perhaps a 15 yr mortgage makes sense.


Interesting note..:) I see myself staying @ this house for more of 7-8 yrs. so I think will stick with 15 yr fixed.
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Desi_by_Nature;8050#1

Why take a shorter term loan which has higher monthly payments, most of which is interest anyway? [/quote]


If interest rate is same then the first month's interest for 15 year loan or 30 year loan will be exactly the same. The additional amount in payment goes to reduce the principal balance. Since in 15 year loan your payment is here, the second month in a 15 year loan, you will have a lower balance and therefore lower interest in the 15 year loan.

The way to look at loans is not from a payment perspective (assuming you can handle 15 year or 30 year) but rather from the real cost of money to you.

At the same interest rate for 15 or 30 year, the cost of the money is same, but generally 15 year loans are cheaper and hence better from that perspective. If the interest rate differential is not enticing, then I rather invest the difference and especially if I am going to live long in the house. Short term, you are always better off going with the cheaper alternative from cost of money standpoint. Longer term how much cheaper has to be weighed against alternative investment returns and corresponding risk.
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Post by abuSibu »

VRG;8018
Are there any statndard rules? Or it depends on one's AAP, tax bracket, R2I date etc.. etc?


If you decided to keep the loan for a minimum of 3 years, go for refinancing. The fixed rate of 5.625% for a 30 year loan is a great deal, and go for it.

Don't prepay your loan, since the rate is great. Don't take 15 year loan, again the 5.625% is a great rate. Search the deposit rate from various financial institutions from sites such as http://www.bankrate.com, you will know the 30 year loan is better than 15 year loan. Invest the difference in RE or MF in India, or MF in the US (remember broad index MF funds, should you decide).
money4me
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Gurus,

I would appreciate your thoughts on the various types of US mortgage loans especially with respect to R2I and LIA.

Assume the home will be lived in for 5 years atleast.

Lets use the following loan types for comparison:
30yr fixed
15yr fixed
5/1Arm
7/1Arm
5/1Arm interest only
30yr fixed interest only

Which of these is best for
a) Guaranteed R2I (at the end of 5 years)
b) Possible R2I (at the end of 5 years)
c) Guaranteed LIA

Your expert thoughts and opinions will help a bunch of folks.

Thanks.
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