r2i forum

I am in Switzerland for last 6 years. Both me and husband working in stable secure jobs. I work 4 days a week, and husband works 3 days full time and 2 days work from home so is able to spend more time with kids.
We have a 2 girls, 3 years and 6 months old , who are IC because here by birth one does not get citizenship. To get citizenship it would take 10 years (too long).
We both come from mumbai. If we r2i it would be to Mumbai since family is there.

Reasons we want to possibly r2i are the usual reasons:
- To be closer to parents (parents are in mumbai, husbands brother is also there).
- We would live separately so no issue about loss of privacy. Besides both sets of parents are non-interfering.
- No relatives issue, since all other relatives are outside mumbai.
- To bring up DDs as Indian , close to grand parents , uncle aunt.
- I would not work, but have some experience in part time e-commerce which I would pursue from home.
- Here, the people are not so open, hard to make any friendships besides Indians which are also few. (however, kids do get integrated if they goto local school)
- Sense of belonging , I feel lonely here sometimes, especially hate the winters. Will always be foreigners here.
- The dustetc. dont bother us in India. Only the noise does. Elder DD has been to India twice and did not fall sick or had any allergies. She also ate at restaurants there.

Reasons not to r2i :
-When I read these forums, almost all people have USC kids. They r2i, and plan to send their kids for UG or Grad to US again since competition is tough in India and the colleges are not as good as US.
-Now in our case, we do not have this advantage. There are some good colleges in Switzerland, but they would be inaccessible directly for our DDs since they are IC.
So they would have to do UG in India, and then take GRE etc to do MS in US if they want to go abroad.
-The dilemma I have is by returning would we be doing a disservice to our daughters ?
-Also, my parents in fact tell us to stay put, saying its good for kids future there. My brother lives with them so they do not have a void. My husbands parents live next door to his brother so that also is a non-issue.
-Switzerland is rated among the top places for standard of living. Life is peaceful albeit can be boring.
- Life here for kids is relatively easy, there is not so much competition.
- Visit to Mumbai is easy with direct 8 hr flight. We go every year for 3-4 weeks.
- Parents can also easily travel here since flight is not so long.
- Mumbai traffic/pollution is getting worse each year.

Should we r2i just because we want to, and let kids take care of their own future when they grow up? Or, give up r2i for sake of kids?

any thoughts?

pickles;587398I am in Switzerland for last 6 years. Both me and husband working in stable secure jobs. I work 4 days a week, and husband works 3 days full time and 2 days work from home so is able to spend more time with kids.
We have a 2 girls, 3 years and 6 months old , who are IC because here by birth one does not get citizenship. To get citizenship it would take 10 years (too long).
We both come from mumbai. If we r2i it would be to Mumbai since family is there.

Reasons we want to possibly r2i are the usual reasons:
- To be closer to parents (parents are in mumbai, husbands brother is also there).
- We would live separately so no issue about loss of privacy. Besides both sets of parents are non-interfering.
- No relatives issue, since all other relatives are outside mumbai.
- To bring up DDs as Indian , close to grand parents , uncle aunt.
- I would not work, but have some experience in part time e-commerce which I would pursue from home.
- Here, the people are not so open, hard to make any friendships besides Indians which are also few. (however, kids do get integrated if they goto local school)
- Sense of belonging , I feel lonely here sometimes, especially hate the winters. Will always be foreigners here.

Reasons not to r2i :
-When I read these forums, almost all people have USC kids. They r2i, and plan to send their kids for UG or Grad to US again since competition is tough in India and the colleges are not as good as US.
-Now in our case, we do not have this advantage. There are some good colleges in Switzerland, but they would be inaccessible directly for our DDs since they are IC.
-The dilemma I have is by returning would we be doing a disservice to our daughters ?
-Also, my parents in fact tell us to stay put, saying its good for kids future there. My brother lives with them so they do not have a void. My husbands parents live next door to his brother so that also is a non-issue.
-Switzerland is rated among the top places for standard of living. Life is peaceful albeit can be boring.
- Life here for kids is relatively easy, there is not so much competition.
- Visit to Mumbai is easy with direct 8 hr flight. We go every year for 3-4 weeks.
- Parents can also easily travel here since flight is not so long.

Should we r2i just because we want to, and let kids take care of their own future when they grow up? Or, give up r2i for sake of kids?

any thoughts?

Non IC kids have a disadvantage in India when it comes to UG/Grad education. The parents have to pay more because they are foreign citizens to India. You don't have that issue. Yes. Competition is tough, but so it is in the US for good colleges. Now the Indian colleges not as good is subjective. Didn't we all not get educated from one of these so called "not good" colleges. Did we not come out good?

We all work within our constraints. There are going to be opportunity costs for every decision. Are you going to live the rest of your lives thinking about R2I?

What's the educational set up in swiz for non-swiz kids?

Veekay;587399

What's the educational set up in swiz for non-swiz kids?

Here, kids goto kindergarten at 5 years of age. There they are not yet taught to read or write. They start school at 7 years of age. The primary school lasts until they are 13 years old.
Then go to secondary school for another 6 years. Here most students do not goto university. They goto apprenticeship and then take up jobs.
The brightest students goto university. There are many good universities in Switz. The tuition fees is really low.

THis also poses a problem. If we are to r2i, we must send her to international school so that she at least learns English.

pickles;587405
THis also poses a problem. If we are to r2i, we must send her to international school so that she at least learns English.

To an international school in Switzerland?

vizagdesi;587418To an international school in Switzerland?

Yes.. I mean if we want to r2i we should send her to International school in Switzerland so that she learns English and some other subjects starting at age of 3.
If we plan to stay here, then she would goto local school, which starts only at age 7!!!

On positive front atleast you both are ready to test waters in India.
I would say go for it atleast for couple of years before making it lifelong decision.

Think about below..
1. Do you already have fully paid house in Mumbai?
2. How about career/job wise for your husband in Mumbai, can he easily get another reasonable paying job or get company transfer?
3. What are the chances of going back to Swiss if Mumbai doesn't fits for your family after 1-2 years?

If parents will be happy then kids will be happy wherever they will be.

Best luck..

1. Do you already have fully paid house in Mumbai? : yes
2. How about career/job wise for your husband in Mumbai, can he easily get another reasonable paying job or get company transfer? : not so easy but he should be able to get something to start with
3. What are the chances of going back to Swiss if Mumbai doesn't fits for your family after 1-2 years? : This is the hitch. After 3 years my husband will get the PR , afer which we can stay out of country for a maximum of 2 years. If we leave
before this, there is almost no chance to go back.

1. You are lucky and good to have fully paid house.
2. Job: I would say submit CV on Indian job website and see what's the response and CTC offer (Cost To Company)
3. 3 years is not too long and nice to have insurance of going back to Swiss, but again you have to see what will be age of your husband after 3 years and at that age will it be easy to get job in India?
4. How much time it takes for citizenship after PR? if it's couple of year then I would say stay put another 5 years, get citizenship then think about R2I. Your kids age is in favour for this plan since they are too young currently.

Assuming parents are in good health and you guys will save good chunk of money in next three years.

Remember everybody situation is different and I'm just nobody here for you.

Can't you apply for citizenship in next 4 years?
If yes then just do that and start planning for R2I 1 year before Swiss citizenship..

I read below on some website.
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After you have lived in Switzerland for 10 years (less for some nationalities), you can apply for a Swiss settlement or permanent residence permit. You can also apply to become naturalised as a Swiss citizen after 10 years (less in some situations, see below).
"

mate4all;587446Can't you apply for citizenship in next 4 years?
If yes then just do that and start planning for R2I 1 year before Swiss citizenship..

I read below on some website.
"
After you have lived in Switzerland for 10 years (less for some nationalities), you can apply for a Swiss settlement or permanent residence permit. You can also apply to become naturalised as a Swiss citizen after 10 years (less in some situations, see below).
"

Getting swiss PR after 10 years is straight forward.
However getting the citizenship is extremely difficult. One needs to prove complete integration in soceity along with fluent language. Even with these there are cases of rejection.

i think we just have to try r2i once we get PR. If it works out fine else we have a 2 yr window to go back.