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Dear all

I am an amatuer astrologer since last 20 years & I get asked this question a lot -" where will I settle" ?

As most of you may already know, Indian astrology (Jyotish) is an ancient art & in classical texts, the rishis hav mentioned two scenarios around foriegn travel.

Combination (yoga) -1
This is a good yoga, where the individual will travel to a distant land and accumulate considerable wealth (often applied in ancient times to merchants & traders).
The native then returns to his homeland and lives a life of luxury amongst his own people.

Combination (yoga)-2
This is a generally evil yoga(specific combination of planets), wherein the native will go to a foreign land and will be spend his days there in exile. The implication is that the native will crave to return to his home land but is destined not to; and thus suffer the emotional isolation.

In modern times, we see a combination of both possibilities, and the overall range of possibilities has greatly magnified.

I am looking to collect data on individuals who find themselves in either of the above two situations. I think the ones who had a successful return will have the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] yoga combinations while those who are in foreign lands, but are unable to return (& would like to), will have the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] combo in their horoscopes.

If your birth data is accurate, kindly send me an email to ? [email protected]
I would need, Date of birth, place of birth and the time of birth.
If it?s a big city , like Mumbai etc, please provide the general area, so I can get the lat/long of the place on google earth.

Thanks very much.

Can you explain how astrology works?

Also, astrology from what I understand takes into account 9 planets, can you list those 9 please.

From a modern day "scientific" perspective, there is no basis for Astrology or any other form of fortune telling.

From the ancient world's view point, we are all destined to take birth repeatedly until we find our true self and then merge with the ultimate.

In our journey, from our life form to the other, we undergo the results of our good or bad intentions ('karma' in popular parlance).

Hora-shastra (the study of time) aka astrology helps show us when the results of our good and bad karmas ripen & manifest. It is also different for each person, for many people destiny is an open book, they don't have many major karmic forces while others have rigid fixed destinies with very little free-will.

The word "graha" is used in Jyotish, that which "grabs" hold of a person. The implication is that it is your destiny that grabs you, takes hold of you, through these grahas. Sun, moon, mars, rahu, ketu, venus, jup, mercury & saturn are the 9 main grahas acting on human lives. Rahu/Ketu are mathematical points. The point where moon's orbit intersects the earth's orbit, and have no physical mass. They are called "shadow planets" or chaya grahas.
This is a very brief exposition, it is a vast subject, but once you enter its waters, it is incredibly fulfilling.
Unfortunately, in modern times, it has become a means for earning money and thus has become corrupted.
It is used to instill fear and then charge money for prayers etc. to appease the grahas.

Just like any other institution in the world, you will find good and bad practitioners.

timelessreality;675059From a modern day "scientific" perspective, there is no basis for Astrology or any other form of fortune telling.

So you believe in non scientific methods - OK I get it.

timelessreality;675059From the ancient world's view point, we are all destined to take birth repeatedly until we find our true self and then merge with the ultimate.

From ancient world view point, Vayu devta gets mad and makes it rain. Surya devta rides a chariot across the sky. Or Sun is a mountain of coal. So you can keep believing in ancient world view point. I reject such nonsense. You believe in ancient world view point, you can believe all that.

A rational human being would seek evidence and not just blindly believe nonsense created by some and spread around like dung.

There is no "we" , "us" till there is a birth. When there is a birth, then exists a person.

timelessreality;675059In our journey, from our life form to the other, we undergo the results of our good or bad intentions ('karma' in popular parlance).

When we die, that is it, our brain no longer functions, heart no longer operates and we are dead. That is it. There is no such thing as one life to another. Do you have evidence of what is soul? That is nothing but a bullshit belief, no different than BS belief in astrology.

timelessreality;675059Hora-shastra (the study of time) aka astrology helps show us when the results of our good and bad karmas ripen & manifest. It is also different for each person, for many people destiny is an open book, they don't have many major karmic forces while others have rigid fixed destinies with very little free-will.

The word "graha" is used in Jyotish, that which "grabs" hold of a person. The implication is that it is your destiny that grabs you, takes hold of you, through these grahas.

I wont waste my time taking every sentence here and blowing it to smithereens.

timelessreality;675059Sun, moon, mars, rahu, ketu, venus, jup, mercury & saturn are the 9 main grahas acting on human lives. Rahu/Ketu are mathematical points. The point where moon's orbit intersects the earth's orbit, and have no physical mass. They are called "shadow planets" or chaya grahas.

How does saturn affect my individual life?

timelessreality;675059This is a very brief exposition, it is a vast subject, but once you enter its waters, it is incredibly fulfilling.
Unfortunately, in modern times, it has become a means for earning money and thus has become corrupted.
It is used to instill fear and then charge money for prayers etc. to appease the grahas.

Just like any other institution in the world, you will find good and bad practitioners.

No, it is pure nonsense. It is a belief in nonsense like a belief in flat earth.

How come Neptune does not affect human life if Mars can? It is because this BS was created when there were no telescopes, so they focussed on visible ones.

According to astrology, xyz will meet with a terrible accident due to planetary positions at his birth time - can you explain how this accident will happen and kill this person or how he or she will get a disease or will undergo divorce due to planetary position at the time of his birth.

No, you cannot explain, you just believe in that nonsense. That is all. No believer will ever be able to explain the nonsense of astrology.

If after above, you still believe in soul, karma, astrology, may the mighty God bless you.

Desi,

So all major events in one's life are probabilistic and not deterministic ? Everyone is ABSOLUTELY free to do anything and anyone can become anything ? Is that what you believe ?

I can understand your sentiments, cause I once held similar views. There is much I could say, but what's the point of a back and forth argument.

The intent of this thread is for me to collect such data and its for my own research purposes.

This thread is not meant for a discussion of astrology's merits or de-merits. So I humbly request, please leave that argument aside.

If someone wishes to share their birth data, they can email me, there are of course no charges and I do this during my free time as a hobby.

If someone does not believe in the subject, then don't email me or continue on this thread. It is as simple as that.

Thanks for your blessings.

desi4ever;675062Desi,

So all major events in one's life are probabilistic and not deterministic ? Everyone is ABSOLUTELY free to do anything and anyone can become anything ? Is that what you believe ?

and I thought we were not going to discuss with each other such topics? I will respond to the questions you have posed.

Largely yes. As to " anyone can become anything " >>> a lot will depend upon specifics of anything.

As to deterministic <<< deterministic by what? by position of planets in the orbit? Be specific please.

timelessreality;675063I can understand your sentiments, cause I once held similar views. There is much I could say, but what's the point of a back and forth argument.

No, it is not sentiments. I just asked for evidence to explain how astrology works. How planets control occurrence of events. You did not explain any of that. That is not a view but a question posed to you. You did not answer.

As to 'needing evidence rather than blindly believing in something illogical' if you have discarded such view, I call that regressing.

timelessreality;675063, cause I once held similar views.

So you have transitioned from asking for evidence, data, logic to a blind beliefs of multiple lives, karma, astrology!!!!

timelessreality;675063The intent of this thread is for me to collect such data and its for my own research purposes. This thread is not meant for a discussion of astrology's merits or de-merits. So I humbly request, please leave that argument aside.

OK, I will not engage in arguments with you, but if someone comes in and starts a thread and says they want to conduct research on percentage of same sex couples who have produced children between themselves, rest assured that their assertions will be challenged in the thread by someone.

timelessreality;675063If someone wishes to share their birth data, they can email me, there are of course no charges and I do this during my free time as a hobby.

If someone does not believe in the subject, then don't email me or continue on this thread. It is as simple as that.

Thanks for your blessings.

Believers please oblige. As to the thread, rest assured it might take twists and turns in related topics in a public forum. I hope that you do not get any data as my hopes are that more and more people in this world should become rational which will make this world a better place to live.

timelessreality;675063I can understand your sentiments, cause I once held similar views. There is much I could say, but what's the point of a back and forth argument.

The intent of this thread is for me to collect such data and its for my own research purposes.

This thread is not meant for a discussion of astrology's merits or de-merits. So I humbly request, please leave that argument aside.

If someone wishes to share their birth data, they can email me, there are of course no charges and I do this during my free time as a hobby.

If someone does not believe in the subject, then don't email me or continue on this thread. It is as simple as that.

Thanks for your blessings.

The lives of Americans/Europeans are far better than the lives of Indians, even though Indians dont do anything without the approval of astrologers right from birth, naming, marriage, starting a business or even to send a rocket, or just to start from house. Can you tell where it went wrong that those countries that never followed astrology are superior than India and the same Indians want to immigrate there desperately?

Desi;675064and I thought we were not going to discuss with each other such topics? I will respond to the questions you have posed.

Largely yes. As to " anyone can become anything " >>> a lot will depend upon specifics of anything.

As to deterministic <<< deterministic by what? by position of planets in the orbit? Be specific please.

Well anything you dont agree with you tend to brush off saying "Its a dumb statement" and anything you agree with you say "even fools would know" . So when one takes such a stance what's there to discuss ? Still I just asked a few questions to you out of curiosity. Now, for the previous statements I made, I know you are going to ask for proof and sorry I dont have the time to skim through posts and format them to your liking. So you win.


When I say deterministic, I mean deterministic by science or any other tool known to mankind.

The problem with your viewpoint on Astrology or Ayurveda you just dismiss them as they dont fit into the model you want to understand . Basis of astrology is Karma and if you dont believe in trans-migration of soul and go by we are all just "body-mind organisms" that evolved then NO RELIGION or philosophy is acceptable to you. By your standard Abrahamic religions should be at the lowest in your list.But maybe not.