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My R2I (Hyderabad) diary - etrast75

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:33 am
by etrast75
After 10 years in the US and dreaming about moving back to India for the last 3 years, the time has come. Myself, my wife and our 9 month old son are all set to move back to India next month.:emteeth:

This forms has been very helpful in getting me motivated after reading a lot of success stories. I understood that I need to keep an open mind when I return back to India and should not expect the same quality of life that we enjoy currently in US. But then, like everything else in life, you have to give up something if you want something. It is all a matter of getting your priorities in life correct.:emwink:

Why R2i?
Multiple Reasons. Primary reason is family. Was not very keen on leaving our son in daycare and I cannot have in-laws or other relatives taking care of him till he is old enough to go to school. My mother-in-law is here in US to help us out but she has to go back. My parents cannot come to US due to family constraints. Add to this the motivation for both me and wife to continue to have a career, it became very clear that we cannot achieve that by staying in US.
Secondary reason - Career. Both me and wife work for the same company (a big consulting/accounting firm) and we both have MS degrees from US. We were both keen on continuing our careers after the birth of our son. Also the fact that there seems to better opportunities career wise in IT in India right now in the middle management positions than in the US. Add to that fact that it was going to take a long time for me to get my GC given the current situation, it was a no brainer for me

What are our plans?
Luckily for us, our company has a office in hyderabad. So we initiated the conversation about transferring to hyderabad offices a couple of months ago. After a lot of back and forth, they finally agreed and the compensation was close to our expectations.
I do not know anybody in hyderabad as I am from tamilnadu but I felt comfortable about the city when we visited the offices a couple of years back.

Our Status:
Both me and wife are Indian Citizens currently in H1 and my GC process has been in the works for a couple of years now. Son is USC and we got him a PIO card.

Our finances:
Since we have been planning R2i for quite some time, we did not buy a house in US. We have a couple of properties (all paid off) in India. Need to sell my cars (both paid off) and we are all set to go. We have slowly moved all our cash from US to India over the last year or so and plan to keep one or 2 accounts open in US for some time. No 401K or any other retirement accounts in US.

Shipping items from US:
Company is paying for relocation although they agreed to only travel expenses. Trying to negotiate shipping some personal items (nothing big. only a few boxes) with them. Other than that, I came with 2 suitcases and I am leaving with 6.

Our families are currently looking at apartments for rent in Hyderabad and we plan to rent for some time to come. Property prices are kinda high for my liking in India right and I am betting that there will something like a US sub prime meltdown in Indian RE market in the next 5 years or so. So I am going to take a wait and watch approach with regards to buying a property in India right now.

I will try to keep this thread updated with my relocation.

If anyone thinks that I am missing something very obvious, I would appreciate if they could drop a note. Also If I can be of help to anyone who has questions, I will be more than happy to answer any questions you may have..

Thanks and keep up the great work!!!

My R2I (Hyderabad) diary - etrast75

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:43 am
by r2roots
Congratulations and good luck on your r2i plans. Looks like you have given enough thought to your plans.

Quick question for you - are you going to give up your GC in the pipeline? If no, how do you plan to keep it going?

My R2I (Hyderabad) diary - etrast75

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:37 am
by ILuvHyd
Congrats!!! All the best and I wish you have a successful R2I. I hope you will like Hyderabad and as gabbar007 said in an earlier post, drop us a PM if you need anything specific. I will meet you there in Feb2009 :) and please keep posting all your experiences.

My R2I (Hyderabad) diary - etrast75

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:32 am
by etrast75
At this point, I have decided to abandon my GC process. Since GC is based on a future employment offer, I believe a company can process GC even though the person may not be present in US (Please correct me if I am wrong). So, if I wanted, I guess I could have pushed my company to keep processing my GC. I just wanted to have one less thing to worry about I guess.
If I do find that R2i is not my cup of tea (I sincerely hope not) and wanted to r2a, I guess I can always get another 6 years h1. I just hope it does not come down to that.
r2roots;82094Congratulations and good luck on your r2i plans. Looks like you have given enough thought to your plans.

Quick question for you - are you going to give up your GC in the pipeline? If no, how do you plan to keep it going?[/quote]

My R2I (Hyderabad) diary - etrast75

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:41 am
by idlyvadasambar
one more good post/blog. please keep posting your planning, moving and post r2i expereinces.

My R2I (Hyderabad) diary - etrast75

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:23 am
by r2roots
etrast75;82131At this point, I have decided to abandon my GC process. Since GC is based on a future employment offer, I believe a company can process GC even though the person may not be present in US (Please correct me if I am wrong). So, if I wanted, I guess I could have pushed my company to keep processing my GC. I just wanted to have one less thing to worry about I guess.
If I do find that R2i is not my cup of tea (I sincerely hope not) and wanted to r2a, I guess I can always get another 6 years h1. I just hope it does not come down to that.

I appreciate your confidence in your r2i decision and yes I agree that coming back to US on H1 / L1 is not going to be a big deal.
I'm in the same situation as you are. One thing that I did was to take EAD/AP. This gives me a year to re-enter US without any new visa if thinngs don't work out for us when we r2i in May this year.

My R2I (Hyderabad) diary - etrast75

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:38 pm
by aagrawal98
Good luck with your R2I plans. Hope things work out the best for you and your family.

Why do you expect the Indian RE market to crash as the US market did because of sub-prime? There is no sub-prime in India, besides RBI in the last year or so in its efforts to curtail inflation has been soaking up excess liquidity out of the market. This has caused the home loan rates to peak and RE market to stabilize and in some cases the prices have gone down. Home loan rates are in fact beginning to come down now. In my opinion now to next six months is a good time to buy RE in India. You do of course need to shop around, do your due diligence and negotiate hard.

My R2I (Hyderabad) diary - etrast75

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:49 pm
by etrast75
aagrawal98;82200Good luck with your R2I plans. Hope things work out the best for you and your family.

Why do you expect the Indian RE market to crash as the US market did because of sub-prime? There is no sub-prime in India, besides RBI in the last year or so in its efforts to curtail inflation has been soaking up excess liquidity out of the market. This has caused the home loan rates to peak and RE market to stabilize and in some cases the prices have gone down. Home loan rates are in fact beginning to come down now. In my opinion now to next six months is a good time to buy RE in India. You do of course need to shop around, do your due diligence and negotiate hard.[/quote]

I could go on forever (probably write a 4 page article) on the reasons I think the RE market in India in headed for a crash in the next 5-10 years if not earlier. I will try to highlight a few of my thoughts here.

Few disclaimers are in order

  • I do not have any background in Real Estate nor do I have any inside knowledge on the working of Indian real estate market.
  • This is just my personal opinions having read a lot of articles on how real estate markets and economics in general. So for all I know I could be dead wrong about the Indian RE market and I would end up paying a lot more than I would have had I bought one now.
RE , in my opinion, is always a matter of supply and demand (just like any other commodity). Indian RE Market has long been under the control of a few vested interests (mostly politicians and people connected to them) who have somehow managed to keep the supply in check in order for the demand to be high and thus prices have been high compared to wages that people earn. I think it is ridiculous that I have to pay anywhere between 60-1cr (150-250k USD) for a decent 3bhk apartment and 1.5-3 cr (400-750K USD ) for a decent Independent house in a place which has some kind of infrastructure. NRI money has helped boost the bubble but I think NRI money will start drying up in the years to come.

With the development of infrastructure (mostly roads) that is taking place all over india (especially large cities), I expect much more land to be available for development in the coming years. With decent connectivity, people will not care if they have to commute long distances to get to work (the whole concept of american suburbia is based on that) if they find a property at an affordable price.

I understand that the Indian RE market is different from US RE market and probably very unique when compared to the RE markets of all other developed countries but I do believe that the basic concepts apply here.

Also the fact that Large Companies are getting into the RE development (especially residential) will in someways help. If a company is not able to sell something at a certain price, they will be willing to drop the price much more quickly than say a small scale independent developer just to get the property off their hands.

Having said all that, I expect our politicians to fight tooth and nail to keep their control over the whole RE market but in the coming years they will find that they are fighting the battle against some really big companies who cannot be easily intimidated when compared to some small companies or individuals.

Bottom line, more supply of any item, less the price.

There is another aspect to the whole thing linked to liquidity, availability of credit, wages and the general health of the economy which could also play a role.

Again just my personal opinions..

My R2I (Hyderabad) diary - etrast75

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:04 pm
by gabbar007
OP, Good posts. Keep it up.

My R2I (Hyderabad) diary - etrast75

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:18 am
by ILuvHyd
etrast75;82240I could go on forever (probably write a 4 page article) on the reasons I think the RE market in India in headed for a crash in the next 5-10 years if not earlier. [/quote]
I have similar opinion about Indian especially Hyderabad RE and I believe there's a higher probability of a crash than a raise in RE prices. I got worried about this trend 3 years back and stopped investing in Hyderabad RE. My last RE commitment was made in early 2004 and after that I didn't had the guts to buy anything. I myself find it hard to justify the 1500% growth in 7 years in some of the properties I own.