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AAP for cadude
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:56 am
by cadude
Folks,
I need some suggestions with my portfolio allocation.
I'm planning to R2I in 2011. By that time, my 401K will be around 170K.
My taxable account savings will be around 330K. Total 500K. House in India
already taken care of.
My question is how much to leave in the US and how much to convert to Rupees and take back to India.
For the money I leave in US, I'm planning 45% US Total Stock Market index,
20% foreign stock market index, 5% REIT and 30% US total bond index
or US+ international bonds.
Does that look good ?
I'm thinking I'll leave 100K in Taxable account (VTSMX) and 170K in 401K
(foreign+reit+bond).
And take 230K(around 1 crore) back to india. In that, maybe I'll invest
30% in stocks/index/mutual funds, 10% car, 10% home set-up/furnishing and 50% FD.
Please provide comments/suggestions that will help me.
I hope to fund kids education with what I 'll earn in India. We have a 1 year old kid. So, education (1st grade) will be funded with india earnings.
Thanks a lot for your inputs.
cadude
AAP for cadude
Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:44 am
by cadude
cadude;51071Folks,
I need some suggestions with my portfolio allocation.
I'm planning to R2I in 2011. By that time, my 401K will be around 170K.
My taxable account savings will be around 330K. Total 500K. House in India
already taken care of.
My question is how much to leave in the US and how much to convert to Rupees and take back to India.
For the money I leave in US, I'm planning 45% US Total Stock Market index,
20% foreign stock market index, 5% REIT and 30% US total bond index
or US+ international bonds.
Does that look good ?
I'm thinking I'll leave 100K in Taxable account (VTSMX) and 170K in 401K
(foreign+reit+bond).
And take 230K(around 1 crore) back to india. In that, maybe I'll invest
30% in stocks/index/mutual funds, 10% car, 10% home set-up/furnishing and 50% FD.
Please provide comments/suggestions that will help me.
I hope to fund kids education with what I 'll earn in India. We have a 1 year old kid. So, education (1st grade) will be funded with india earnings.
Thanks a lot for your inputs.
cadude[/quote]
Hello Desi, Just pinging you. If u get some time, could you please give
some general suggestions on my proposed portfolio ?
Sorry to bug u.
Thanks
Cadude.
AAP for cadude
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:26 am
by vivmat
Hi Cadude
While you wait for Desi's response, here are some general thoughts:
Your overall stock:bond split is pretty similar to what I follow as well for my AAP (65:35). I'm a little heavier on International tho.
You can consider the following:
1) Start moving your overall bond allocation to India slowly between now and 2011. If you are USC/GC, then either consider cash/FDs etc or if you can invest in your parents names, you can consider debt mutual funds. This will alleviate some PFIC pain. Reason for holding bond allocation of AAP in India is - so that it keeps up with inflation in the country of consumption - namely India
2) Move any initial set up expenses, furnishing, car etc to Indian rupees between now and 2011. Invest as 1) above
3) For India allocation on the equity side, either consider MINDX here in the US, or an individual stock portfolio (in India), or Equity MF in parents name in India
4) For Rest of diversified global equity exposure use your IRA (rollover 401k to IRA before you leave) and taxable mutual fund account in the US. (total US index, total intl index and reits in your case)
If I read your post correctly, apart for the initial set up during R2I (which is covered above), your salary and savings in India will take care of your other short-term needs (kids education etc)
Hope this helps.
AAP for cadude
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:37 am
by Desi
Cadude,
When you R2I, what will your immigration status be as far as USA is concerned? Will you have a GC or a USC? Do you plan to relinquish that at any time?
The above question is being asked because estate tax laws are such that for NRAs it is not a good idea to leave money greater than a certain amount in USA.
Also, please provide the immigration status info on your spouse also.
AAP for cadude
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:31 am
by cadude
Desi Bhai,
I plan to be a USC. My wife is currently undecided. 50% USC. 50%, she
will R2I with GC.
Sorry, I did not see your post for a while.
Thanks
CADUDE
AAP for cadude
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:34 am
by cadude
vivmat;56329Hi Cadude
While you wait for Desi's response, here are some general thoughts:
Your overall stock:bond split is pretty similar to what I follow as well for my AAP (65:35). I'm a little heavier on International tho.
You can consider the following:
1) Start moving your overall bond allocation to India slowly between now and 2011. If you are USC/GC, then either consider cash/FDs etc or if you can invest in your parents names, you can consider debt mutual funds. This will alleviate some PFIC pain. Reason for holding bond allocation of AAP in India is - so that it keeps up with inflation in the country of consumption - namely India
2) Move any initial set up expenses, furnishing, car etc to Indian rupees between now and 2011. Invest as 1) above
3) For India allocation on the equity side, either consider MINDX here in the US, or an individual stock portfolio (in India), or Equity MF in parents name in India
4) For Rest of diversified global equity exposure use your IRA (rollover 401k to IRA before you leave) and taxable mutual fund account in the US. (total US index, total intl index and reits in your case)
If I read your post correctly, apart for the initial set up during R2I (which is covered above), your salary and savings in India will take care of your other short-term needs (kids education etc)
Hope this helps.[/quote]
Thanks vivmat. Can you suggest some debt mutual funds in India ?
If I invest in my/spouse's I supposse I'll have to deal with PFIC etc.
Is debt mutual funds (intermediate/long) better than FDs ? I'll look into
investing in my parents name.
You assumption is correct. My home is taken care of. I have paid off the plot and set aside some money for constructing a home.
Thanks
cadude
AAP for cadude
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:50 am
by vivmat
Cadude,
I wouldnt pick long term debt funds - I would stick to floating rate or short term - so as to take on minimal interest rate risk.
My picks in these categories would be:
HDFC Floating Rate ST - G
Tata Short Term Bond - G
You can also invest in FDs. I have a couple in my mom's name (she is a senior citizen so she gets 9 or 10% APY - forgot exact APY)
To choose between Debt funds and FDs, look at tax bracket and then make a decision. If one is a low/zero tax bracket then an FD can be better, if in a higher bracket then a debt fund could be better. Or do a bit of both and rest easy :-)
You can also take a look at FMP (Fixed maturity plans - also PFIC, so invest in parents name). I havent researched them yet, so dont have any picks but they could be looked into. Their yields are very close to FD yields.
Hope this helps
AAP for cadude
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:54 am
by cadude
vivmat;61451Cadude,
I wouldnt pick long term debt funds - I would stick to floating rate or short term - so as to take on minimal interest rate risk.
My picks in these categories would be:
HDFC Floating Rate ST - G
Tata Short Term Bond - G
Hope this helps[/quote]
Thanks vivmat. What is the main difference between growth option and dividend option for the debt mutual funds ? Are the dividends reinvested in
the growth option ?
Also, I supposse in the case of debt mutual funds, I can have my funds
repatriated into NRE account if the funds were held in my account right ?
Of course, I would have to deal with PFIC.
One mroe Q. Is the interest/short-term/long-term capital gain taxable fro NRIs ?
THanks
cadude
AAP for cadude
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:34 am
by vivmat
Cadude,
One mroe Q. Is the interest/short-term/long-term capital gain taxable fro NRIs ?
This link should provide some answers (and this is only GOI taxation - not IRS)
http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/feb/22bud.htm
Note that if your total income in India falls in the 0 tax bracket then yes, you wouldnt pay any tax (to GOI) - else you will pay per the link above (for different types of investments). FDs are taxable at marginal rate (which ofcourse could be 0 in the case of an NRI if his income is minimal). Note that there might be TDS for debt fund and FD cash outs - then you'll have to file taxes in India to claim the refund if you are in 0 tax bracket.
Also, I supposse in the case of debt mutual funds, I can have my funds
repatriated into NRE account if the funds were held in my account right ?
Of course, I would have to deal with PFIC.
Yes
What is the main difference between growth option and dividend option for the debt mutual funds ? Are the dividends reinvested in
the growth option ?
Kind of yes. In the growth option, dividends are not given out to the investor (all the appreciation is reflected in an NAV increase). You can google for a more detailed explanation on the difference including the fact that although the investor is not taxed on the dividends (in the dividend option), the Mutual fund itself is. Growth option should be a better bet - this has also been discussed in some detail on the old forum, so you can search there too.
AAP for cadude
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:45 pm
by cadude
vivmat;61509Cadude,
Kind of yes. In the growth option, dividends are not given out to the investor (all the appreciation is reflected in an NAV increase). [/quote]
Thanks vivmat. appreciate ur inputs.