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Investing in MF in india through father's account
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:00 am
by finance_newbee
Folks,
For r2ier's, I am wondering if it makes sense to invest in MF in india through your parents' account so that you can avoid taxes in US. Of course, that will put parents in different tax category. But if you invest in growth stocks, that hopefully won't cause trouble to them as capital gains there won't be taxed and dividends will be minimal. What would be implications of transfer of assets from parents to you after R2I? Any legal complications?
Investing in MF in india through father's account
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:06 pm
by shankar_ss
Hi,
Many people do this, the only issue would be retranferring the assets at a later date. I think if the documentation is right it shouldnt be an issue, I can check with my accountant and let you know.
regards
shankar
Investing in MF in india through father's account
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:06 am
by desi78
Hi Shankar,
Can you please update what the accountant confirmed regarding the issue of retransferring mentioned by finance_newbee...
Also would appreciate if you provide more details regarding the "Right kind of documentation".
Thanks,
desi78
Investing in MF in india through father's account
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:29 am
by nand
If you give them more than 12K USD each then it attracts gift tax. Give them 12K. I do not know if there are other ways to avoid this.
Investing in MF in india through father's account
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:19 pm
by Vijay Kumar
One person can gift 12k per year without having to inform the IRS. So you can gift 12k to your father and 12k to your mother. Same for your inlaws if you have them. Also, your wife can do the same amount as well. As a result you could gift 96k per year if you are married and each choose to do it. In a few years that could be a lot of money.
Investing in MF in india through father's account
Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:15 am
by RRK
12K limit is only applicable for gifts to US Residents ( include citizens, GC etc).
Not for Indian citizens who are resident of India.
Just give a letter to your father stating that money is given by you to him as unrevocable gift. It is his money and he can do anything he wants.
( But only will buy the stocks you like to buy.. ):emwink:
Investing in MF in india through father's account
Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:15 am
by Bobus
nand;32232If you give them more than 12K USD each then it attracts gift tax. Give them 12K. I do not know if there are other ways to avoid this.[/quote]
Gift tax can still be avoided on a gift from a US resident donor to a donee (recipient) in excess of $12K in a year, by filing a gift tax return and making use of the lifetime unified/combined credit limit for gift tax and estate tax. The amount of credit available for future use will be reduced when this election is made.
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p950/ar02.html#d0e123
Vijay Kumar;32609One person can gift 12k per year without having to inform the IRS. So you can gift 12k to your father and 12k to your mother. Same for your inlaws if you have them. Also, your wife can do the same amount as well. As a result you could gift 96k per year if you are married and each choose to do it. In a few years that could be a lot of money.[/quote]
Agree.
RRK;3268412K limit is only applicable for gifts to US Residents ( include citizens, GC etc). Not for Indian citizens who are resident of India.[/quote]
The $12K annual exclusion limit is for each donor-donee combination, when donor is US resident. It does not matter whether donee (recipient) is US resident or not - the annual exclusion limit still applies as long as donor is US resident even where donee is non resident alien.
Say A is US resident
Say B is US resident
Say C is non resident alien
Assume A is not married to B or C.
Case 1
If A (US resident) gifts more than $12K in one year to B (or alternatively to C) then A has to file gift tax return and either
(i) pay gift tax on the amount of gift that exceeds $12K
or
(ii) make use of the lifetime unified/combined credit limit of for gift tax and estate tax and decrease the credit available for future use.
Here B and C have no US tax reporting or payment obligations.
Case 2
If A (US resident) receives a gift from C (non resident alien), then the $12K annual limit does not apply. In this case, if the gift from C exceeds $100K in a year, then Form 3520 has to be filed by A as a mere reporting requirement, though A (as donee) is not liable to any gift tax.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f3520.pdf
http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i3520/ch01.html#d0e60
Here C has no US tax reporting or payment obligations.
Investing in MF in india through father's account
Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:25 pm
by Vijay Kumar
i agree with shoot straight .... this forum is very informative
Investing in MF in india through father's account
Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:09 pm
by RRK
Investing in Parents name may be considered under Benami Act.
Read more: I dont want to duplicate the posting. click this link #
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Investing in MF in india through father's account
Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:07 pm
by Bobus
RRK;32781Investing in Parents name may be considered under Benami Act.
Read more: I dont want to duplicate the posting. click this link #10[/quote]
When the gift from a son/daughter to parent is clean, and investment is made by parent, then Benami Act provisions are not attracted, even if parent nominates the son/daughter as beneficiary / inheritor of the investment in the event of parent's demise.
I had similar doubts some time ago and checked with Rajesh about them. Will try to post link to the relevant MSN forum thread.
Added Later
The relevant MSN thread has been copied to this new forum:
Investing Safely in India Resident Parents' Names
Extract (from Rajesh's Post #7 in the thread above)
4. The Benami Transactions ( Prohibition ) Act, 1988 defines " Benami Transactions " as a transaction wherein a property is transferred to one person for the purchase price being paid by another person.
.02 Apparently, the said transaction is technically also not covered by Benami Transaction Act.
.03 Such a transaction will also not contravene the provision of Foreign Exchange Management Act or any other Statutory rules as the gift is genuine and bonafide ; the relationship is also very close ; the donor being the son has sufficient capability to gift such amount and the purpose of gift is natural love and affection.
5. The same analogy applies to purchase of agricultural land. Accordingly, an NRI son can gift say Rs.20 lacs to his resident mother, who may purchase agricultural land from the said amount of gift and subsequently provides for such agricultural land to be inherited by her son by way of a Will.
6. To the best of my knowledge, such genuine transactions are not contravening provisions of any of the Statutes.