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Science behind nostradamus prophecies

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:27 pm
by r2109
Nostradamus Revealed !!

I have always been fascinated by predictions of Nostradamus. Every time I read a news article or a forwarded spam mail ( both seem to be in the path of rapid convergence these days) that explains how a prediction made by Nostradamus almost 500 years back is coming true today, I wondered how Nostradamus could have ever achieved this.

What?s even more amazing is, Nostradamus predicted Kennedy?s assassination twice !! He had even mentioned that there is a conspiracy behind JFK assassination!!!

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The ancient work will be accomplished, And from the roof evil ruin will fall on the great man: They will accuse an innocent, being dead, of the deed: The guilty one is hidden in the misty copse.(Century 6, Quatrain 37)
The great man will be struck down in the day by a thunderbolt, The evil deed predicted by the bearer of a petition: According to the prediction another falls at night, Conflict in Reims, London, and pestilence in Tuscany.(Century 1, Quatrain 27)

Murder. Book Depository. Oswald shot and assigned guilt, although there has been much controversy over this assessment. Grassy knoll. Gunfire. Jean Dixon's warning. Robert Kennedy shot at night time. Student riots in France and England. The Florence flood.

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Today I was flipping a 55 page scientific paper originally published in 1948 and I came across this very intriguing sentence in the middle of the paper.

"THE HEAD AND IN FRONTAL ATTACK ON AN ENGLISH WRITER THAT THE CHARACTER OF THIS POINT IS THEREFORE ANOTHER METHOD FOR THE LETTERS THAT THE TIME OF WHO EVER TOLD THE PROBLEM FOR AN UNEXPECTED."

At first glance, the sentence did not make any sense to me; I thought the author must have gone crazy before he could complete the paper (Going crazy, is a rather common occurrence among extremely brilliant scientists, when they become so brilliant that no other person is brilliant enough to understand what they are speaking; they become eligible to being labeled crazy)

I read the sentence a few more times determined to understand what the scientist was trying to convey, after reading the sentence about five times it finally struck me. The scientist had predicted the death of Princess Diana!!!!!

Now read the sentence carefully again,

"THE HEAD AND IN FRONTAL ATTACK ON AN ENGLISH "
Princess Diana was English, she was killed by a head-on collision

"WRITER THAT THE CHARACTER OF THIS POINT IS "
Princess Diana was the character, the point of, many writings (books, magazines, newspapers)

"THEREFORE ANOTHER METHOD FOR THE LETTERS THAT THE TIME OF WHO EVER TOLD THE PROBLEM FOR AN UNEXPECTED."
Very clear reference to English Tabloids (ANOTHER METHOD FOR THE LETTERS) and Paparazzi (WHO EVER TOLD THE PROBLEM FOR AN UNEXPECTED)

OH !!! MY!! GOD !!!!! the scientists in 1948 had already figured out how to time travel, predict future, they were able to figure out something that happened almost 50 years after the paper was published!! Isn?t this amazing?

If you think this is not true, you can read the paper yourself. The paper was titled "A Mathematical Theory of Communication". The genius scientist who had predicted the future was "C. E. SHANNON" and it was published in "The Bell System Technical Journal" Vol. 27, pp. 379?423, 623?656, July, October, 1948. Here is the link to the PDF version of the re-print: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/ms/what/shannonday/shannon1948.pdf, (the prediction can be found in page 7 of the PDF)

Unlike Nostradamus, Claude Elwood Shannon the genius who made the prediction, reveals how he arrived at this amazing prediction. He calls the prophecy, "a second order word approximation". He also lays down an algorithm that explains how mere mortals like you and I can come up with our own prophecies. Now, if you are ready to start creating your own prophecies here is the algorithm:

Step1: Randomly select a book from your library.

Step2: Randomly select a page in the book selected in step1.

Step3: Randomly select a word in the page selected in step2.

Step4: Record the select word.

Step5: Randomly select another page in the book.

Step6: In the page selected from step 5 read till you find the word last recorded.

Step7: Now record the word immediately following the word selected in step 6.

Step8: Repeat steps 5,6and7 till you have recorded enough number of words.
Now here is my prediction:

THEIR USE AND MORE MOST OFFERS EDUCATIONAL PSYCHOLOGY DIFFERS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE CALENDAR.

I started with the word "their" which I randomly picked from today's newspaper and then used Google to find the next word. Now, before you dismiss my prediction as a senseless combination of words, you might want to wait for a couple of centuries and see if anything happens to educational psychology that differs from the white house calendar.

Science behind nostradamus prophecies

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:41 pm
by Bobus
Good post with an algorithm to produce "impressive predictions" that can be transfered to a thread that I think already exists on Nostradamus. The same algorithm can also be used on books that were available 500 or 1000 years ago and a set of predictions as "impressive" and voluminous as Nostradamus's produced. A cottage industry that compares which set of predictions is more impressive may then be created.

Better still, use Sanskrit books available 1000 years ago, create hymns using the algorithm, provide translations in multiple languages and market it as Vedic predictions - milk the suckers. :) To heck with Nostra, ancient India seers were vastly better - just that the world is only now beginning to realize it - coauthor with a gora - that would help sales. Label those who quibble as p-sec fanatics who dont know the worth of their own mothers. Even goras are realizing the worth of the predictions, but our own Macaulay's children are unable to do so coz they have been brainwashed.

Science behind nostradamus prophecies

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:26 pm
by RRS
OP,
Not at all a proponent of prophesy as there are enough prophets in India who have predicted everything that ever could happen but cannot make a decent living for themselves. There are ajemeri babas and peer sayed sahibs all over the world. Absolute randomness also will be explained by science like how things are being uncovered with advances in technology.

Bobus,
Why do labels matter if one has strong conviction about his/her beliefs and thoughts?

Science behind nostradamus prophecies

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:02 am
by Bobus
RaReSha3;54741Bobus,
Why do labels matter if one has strong conviction about his/her beliefs and thoughts?[/quote]

Depends on what the conviction/belief is based on. Who am I to argue with the customer - he is King - when it is the sales of the book that matter? :) A book from Swami Bobusananda and Mike Brown seems saleable to me.

Science behind nostradamus prophecies

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:35 am
by vijay
Last month Discovery showed an hr long docu about this physics professor who in Aus replicated the entire shooting with gelatanios dummes. These dummies were as close as poss to JFK's torso with bone and cartilage etc. The other senator in the shooting was also replicated. Long story short they calculated the exact angle and trajectory and fired bullets from the same mfr and gun that harvey used. The results were freakishly identical to JFKs death. from what I remember the wounds:
JFK:entry wound at upper back, exit at front chest (breaking lowest rib)

sentor:entry at back and exit at stomach and then passes thru left hand (breaks bone) and strkes his thigh (not enough momentum to enter)

btw Harveys bullet was recovered. The Aus professor compared his bullet(post tests) and the deformation in his bullet was comparable to harveys bullet.
sorry guys there was no one in the "copse". One bullet from a high powered rifle caused 7 wounds, also Harvey was army sniper while above professor was hobby marksman



Science behind nostradamus prophecies

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:04 am
by restlessdesi
Bobus;54755 A book from Swami Bobusananda and Mike Brown seems saleable to me.[/quote]

Swami Bobusananda...that is funny :emsmilep:

Science behind nostradamus prophecies

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:28 am
by Chicago Desi
And how are the predictions of Edgar Cayce explained? He went into a trance, and saw things. and his stenographer typed them up. He influenced thinking of several great men from science and politics, including Edison and Tesla. What was his "trick"?

Science behind nostradamus prophecies

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:47 am
by RRS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce
Skeptics of Cayce point out that the evidence for his purported powers comes in the form of contemporaneous newspaper articles, affidavits, anecdotes, and testimonials, which are not considered by them to be scientifically rigorous. They are also critical of Cayce's support for various forms of alternative medicine, which they regard as quackery.

Michael Shermer writes in Why People Believe Weird Things, "Uneducated beyond the ninth grade, Cayce acquired his broad knowledge through voracious reading and from this he wove elaborate tales."[1] Furthermore, "Cayce was fantasy-prone from his youth, often talking with angels and receiving visions of his dead grandfather."[1] Shermer further cites James Randi as noting "Cayce was fond of expressions like 'I feel that' and 'perhaps' -- qualifying words used to avoid positive declarations."[1] Shermer also explains that methods used at the institution operated by Cayce's followers show their ESP experiments have no statistical difference from chance.[1]

Cayce's followers accept that he was sometimes inaccurate. Cayce's sons, Hugh Lynn Cayce and Edgar Evans Cayce, even co-authored a book called The Outer Limits of Edgar Cayce's Power detailing some of their father's mistakes. They theorize that Cayce's accuracy depended on many variables, such as the spiritual motivation of those seeking the reading. Skeptics identify these theories as excuses intended to prevent paranormal claims from ever being disproven.

Cayce's prophecies occupy somewhat shaky ground. Examples of incorrect Cayce prophecies include him stating that 1933 would be a "good year". He also stated that US scientists would discover a "death ray" from Atlantis in 1958. Other predictions that have not as yet occurred include massive earth changes and that China would one day be "the cradle of Christianity as applied in the lives of men."



About him being inspiration to other scientists doesn't mean much, Tesla's hardwork and research came after his hallucination phase. Laloo may be inspiration for some able administrators doesn't mean they follow Laloo's doctrines.Sheshan (former CEC) who was a straight talker and tough cookie as administrator believes in Sai Baba.