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In a recent Reuter's report, I read:
[QUOTE]Body fat, blood pressure and fasting insulin levels (a marker of diabetes risk) all increased within a decade of moving to a city, and for decades blood pressure and insulin continued to rise above the levels of their rural counterparts. The findings raise public health concerns as the global population progressively becomes more urban.

According to the United Nations, the growth change in India's urban population is 1.1 percent each year, while the change in the proportion of people in rural areas is declining by 0.37 percent.
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The researchers, led by Dr. Sanjay Kinra of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, compared rural Indians to their siblings who moved to one of four cities in India: Lucknow, Nagpur, Hyderabad and Bangalore. Siblings who lived in a city the longest had the highest average blood pressures.

We have occasional posts from R2I'ers about dust, heat and allergies (especially the effects of the local scene on their children) in this forum. However, I had noticed that, in general, poor indians are skinny and famished looking, whereas the poor in america suffer from bad nutrition, obesity and the diseases that are linked to these conditions.

The Reuter's story seems to recommend smaller cities ( Tier II etc..) or country side as better option for long term health. Perhaps this is an option for those who R2I for retirement, rather than a continuation of their careers, kid's education etc..; but then, for access to any acute medical care, even with money in the bank, there'd be a logistical problem.

okonomi;394621In a recent Reuter's report, I read:


We have occasional posts from R2I'ers about dust, heat and allergies (especially the effects of the local scene on their children) in this forum. However, I had noticed that, in general, poor indians are skinny and famished looking, whereas the poor in america suffer from bad nutrition, obesity and the diseases that are linked to these conditions.

The Reuter's story seems to recommend smaller cities ( Tier II etc..) or country side as better option for long term health. Perhaps this is an option for those who R2I for retirement, rather than a continuation of their careers, kid's education etc..; but then, for access to any acute medical care, even with money in the bank, there'd be a logistical problem.

The only way to survive in India is away from the cities. R2I to the woods as MastanAgain had suggested. But accessing amenities would be difficult. How would we get money and groceries? And folk in small towns may not be very welcoming of outsiders. There are some horror stories and some successes. There was an Indian lawyer couple who moved to a rural area and set up a farm. Because they didn't mingle with the locals and the lady wore jeans, they tried to kick them out. When that didn't work they set fire to their farm.

Mansoor Khan, the film director left Bollywood and started a cheese farm in the Nilgiris: http://www.caravanmagazine.in/lede/big-cheese-new-life-mansoor-khan-bollywood. Pankaj Mishra writes in Mashobra, Ruskin Bond in Mussoorie. These things are possible in India, just not for us.

Umang;654763.....There was an Indian lawyer couple who moved to a rural area and set up a farm. Because they didn't mingle with the locals and the lady wore jeans, they tried to kick them out. When that didn't work they set fire to their farm.....

And those NRI's are idiots. They ought to know what it takes to make a success of whatever enterprise.

Here is a story that I know (the characters of ):
A single 40 year old NRI in Amreeka wanted to marry a proper, subservient, well-behaved, svelte, young, indian woman of 10-15 years younger. And since he did not have good relations with his weird Indian parents, aunts, uncles etc.., he rented a family for negotiating, and standing-in for a marriage. Theatrical extras were his parents. He needed to pay a broker to get his crew. While the in-laws were initially surprised that the groom of "such phoren wealth and achievements", did not have any extended family in India, they were sort of glad for it. The wedding happened in India with a very small contingent on the groom's side, because the far flung relatives who were living in Mauritius, Australia, Canada, UK and USA couldn't come to some podunk town in UP.

After the bride went to USA, she was happy that her in-law relations would not visit her often to bother her idyllic life with her (somewhat older, but quite frisky) hubby. As far as I know .... the hubby has not told her about the put-up job of making up relatives to arrange a marriage. They have a 3 year old son now. And all is happy.
When NRI's want to go and slum it in some tier-II town, and run a farm, dairy, store, etc... they ought to set it up with a local front people at first and see how it goes. They could be the weird visitors from phoren, until the townsfolk get used to them. Trying to foist weirdness on a bunch of arsonists in a phoren town is so stupid.

okonomi;654767And those NRI's are idiots. They ought to know what it takes to make a success of whatever enterprise.
A single 40 year old NRI in Amreeka wanted to marry a proper, subservient, well-behaved, svelte, young, indian woman of 10-15 years younger. And since he did not have good relations with his weird Indian parents, aunts, uncles etc.., he created a family for negotiating a marriage. Theatrical extras were his parents. While the in-laws were initially surprised that the groom did not have any extended family in India, they were sort of glad for it. The wedding happened in India with a very small contingent on the groom's side, because the far flung relatives who were living in Mauritius, Australia, Canada, UK and USA couldn't come to some podunk town in UP.
After the bride went to USA, she was happy that her in-law relations would not visit her often to bother her idyllic life with her (somewhat older, but quite frisky) hubby. As far as I know .... the hubby has not told her about the put-up job of making up relatives to arrange a marriage. They have a 3 year old son now. And all is happy.
When NRI's want to go and slum it in some tier-II town, and run a farm, dairy, store, etc... they ought to set it up with a local front people at first and see how it goes. They could be the weird visitors from phoren, until the townsfolk get used to them. Trying to foist weirdness on a bunch of arsonists in a phoren town is so stupid.

The couple were Westernised Indians, not NRIs. One can have delusions about India without ever having left. The story of the married NRI is excellent.

The things that are possible in India. Sometimes I wonder if we live in a completely different country. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-times/We-bought-a-sanctuary/articleshow/51272316.cms

If someone wants to move to rural area, please be aware of robbery. They will break your door and take all your stuff and may also kill you or physically harm you. this is true if you want to live on a farm house in sparsely populated area.

This is a very real problem, used to be in the news in Bangalore suburbs almost 1-2 incidents every couple of months, back in 90s.


But I feel with two guard dogs, nice perimeter fencing, 2-3 adults trained in fire arms and some video monitoring of the area...........this problem can be solved.

But then to achieve all these million or more has to be invested, out of reach of most people.

If you are a multi millionaire anything is possible.

Umang;654791The things that are possible in India. Sometimes I wonder if we live in a completely different country. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-times/We-bought-a-sanctuary/articleshow/51272316.cms

techynt;654806If someone wants to move to rural area, please be aware of robbery. They will break your door and take all your stuff and may also kill you or physically harm you. this is true if you want to live on a farm house in sparsely populated area.

This is a very real problem, used to be in the news in Bangalore suburbs almost 1-2 incidents every couple of months, back in 90s.

Yes. I think you need to be really powerful to survive in India, have your own private army. Otherwise, you are toast. Thanks for the warning. I am cancelling my plans to R2I to the woods immediately.

techynt;654807If you are a multi millionaire anything is possible.

Yes, money is fantastic.

Its hard to bridge the gap sometimes between ignorant simpletons living in village who are so selfish/impoverished that they will steal your clothes while they are on the drying line (my relatives do it all the time in the common area :(, everyone knows about it and nothing can be done. If you catch them in the act they will swear at you of making a bad allegation for just touching something :)

You have to have lots of guts to go live among villagers, since those folks can be very dangerous due to lack of opportunity and if they feel that you may have money ($20k is a lot of money for most of them, enough to kidnap or murder).


I have my ancestral property in UP and I wish I could go and live there........but apart from above mentioned security issues, its also a pain to deal with those male chauvinist fools, who are steeped in weird rituals and traditions and believe in violence as a good solution to all conflict.

Maybe I need to spread a story about losing my wealth in a bad investment so that the money angle is gone. Then I can tell people that due to my work I will get a small amount as pension from US govt, enough to pay the bills in a small village.

Unfortunately people are so poor there, toilets and bathrooms are also far below acceptable standards. When I was kid, we used to go in fields :)


If I spend money to make that place better, it will bring attention. Maybe I just need to get camping experience for my family so that they can learn to live with less facilities.

okonomi;654767And those NRI's are idiots. They ought to know what it takes to make a success of whatever enterprise.

Here is a story that I know (the characters of ):
A single 40 year old NRI in Amreeka wanted to marry a proper, subservient, well-behaved, svelte, young, indian woman of 10-15 years younger. And since he did not have good relations with his weird Indian parents, aunts, uncles etc.., he rented a family for negotiating, and standing-in for a marriage. Theatrical extras were his parents. He needed to pay a broker to get his crew. While the in-laws were initially surprised that the groom of "such phoren wealth and achievements", did not have any extended family in India, they were sort of glad for it. The wedding happened in India with a very small contingent on the groom's side, because the far flung relatives who were living in Mauritius, Australia, Canada, UK and USA couldn't come to some podunk town in UP.

After the bride went to USA, she was happy that her in-law relations would not visit her often to bother her idyllic life with her (somewhat older, but quite frisky) hubby. As far as I know .... the hubby has not told her about the put-up job of making up relatives to arrange a marriage. They have a 3 year old son now. And all is happy.
When NRI's want to go and slum it in some tier-II town, and run a farm, dairy, store, etc... they ought to set it up with a local front people at first and see how it goes. They could be the weird visitors from phoren, until the townsfolk get used to them. Trying to foist weirdness on a bunch of arsonists in a phoren town is so stupid.