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India and Pakistan - progress comparisons

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:37 pm
by KempeG
Interesting article by a Pakistani writer:

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By Dr Farrukh Saleem
12/9/2007


Twenty-five thousand years ago, haplogroup R2 characterized by genetic marker M124 arose in southern Central Asia. Then began a major wave of human migration whereby members migrated southward to present-day India and Pakistan (Genographic Project by the National Geographic Society; http://www.nationalgeographiccom/). Indians and Pakistanis have the same ancestry and share the same DNA sequence.
Here's what is happening in India:


The two Ambani brothers can buy 100 percent of every company listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE) and would still be left with $30 billion to spare. The four richest Indians can buy up all goods and services produced over a year by 169 million Pakistanis and still be left with $60 billion to spare. The four richest Indians are now richer than the forty richest Chinese.


In November, Bombay Stock Exchange's benchmark Sensex flirted with 20,000 points. As a consequence, Mukesh Ambani's Reliance Industries became a $100 billion company (the entire KSE is capitalized at $65 billion). Mukesh owns 48 percent of Reliance.


In November, comes Neeta's birthday. Neeta turned forty-four three weeks ago. Look what she got from her husband as her birthday present: A sixty-million dollar jet with a custom fitted master bedroom, bathroom with mood lighting, a sky bar, entertainment cabins, satellite television, wireless communication and a separate cabin with game consoles. Neeta is Mukesh Ambani's wife, and Mukesh is not India's richest but the second richest.


Mukesh is now building his new home, Residence Antillia (after a mythical, phantom island somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean). At a cost of $1 billion this would be the most expensive home on the face of the planet. At 173 meters tall Mukesh's new family residence, for a family of six, will be the equivalent of a 60-storeyed building. The first six floors are reserved for parking. The seventh floor is for car servicing and maintenance. The eighth floor houses a mini-theatre. Then there's a health club, a gym and a swimming pool. Two floors are reserved for Ambani family's guests. Four floors above the guest floors are family floors all with a superb view of the Arabian Sea. On top of everything are three helipads. A staff of 600 is expected to care for the family and their family home.


In 2004, India became the 3rd most attractive foreign direct investment destination. Pakistan wasn't even in the top 25 countries. In 2004, the United Nations, the representative body of 192 sovereign member states, had requested the Election Commission of India to assist the UN in the holding elections in Al Jumhuriyah al Iraqiyah and Dowlat-e Eslami-ye Afghanestan. Why the Election Commission of India and not the Election Commission of Pakistan? After all, Islamabad is closer to Kabul than is Delhi.


Imagine, 12 percent of all American scientists are of Indian origin; 38 percent of doctors in America are Indian; 36 percent of NASA scientists are Indians; 34 percent of Microsoft employees are Indians; and 28 percent of IBM employees are Indians.


For the record: Sabeer Bhatia created and founded Hotmail. Sun Microsystems was founded by Vinod Khosla. The Intel Pentium processor, that runs 90 percent of all computers, was fathered by Vinod Dham. Rajiv Gupta co-invented Hewlett Packard's E-speak project. Four out of ten Silicon Valley start-ups are run by Indians. Bollywood produces 800 movies per year and six Indian ladies have won Miss Universe/Miss World titles over the past 10 years.


For the record: Azim Premji, the richest Muslim entrepreneur on the face of the planet, was born in Bombay and now lives in Bangalore.India now has more than three dozen billionaires; Pakistan has none (not a single dollar billionaire).


The other amazing aspect is the rapid pace at which India is creating wealth. In 2002, Dhirubhai Ambani, Mukesh and Anil Ambani's father, left his two sons a fortune worth $2.8 billion. In 2007, their combined wealth stood at $94 billion. On 29 October 2007, as a result of the stock market rally and the appreciation of the Indian rupee, Mukesh became the richest person in the world, with net worth climbing to US$63.2 billion (Bill Gates, the richest American, stands at around $56 billion).
Indians and Pakistanis have the same Y-chromosome haplogroup. We have the same genetic sequence and the same genetic marker (namely: M124). We have the same DNA molecule, the same DNA sequence. Our culture, our traditions and our cuisine are all the same. We watch the same movies and sing the same songs. What is it that Indians have and we don't?


Indians elect their leaders.
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....The writer is an Islamabad-based freelance columnist. Email: [email protected]

India and Pakistan - progress comparisons

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:38 pm
by KempeG
>>"Indians and Pakistanis have the same Y-chromosome haplogroup. We have the same
>>genetic sequence and the same genetic marker (namely: M124). We have the same
>>DNA molecule, the same DNA sequence. Our culture, our traditions and our cuisine
>>are all the same. We watch the same movies and sing the same songs. What is it that
>>Indians have and we don't? "

"There may be few similarities, but we are not same. We are different and so different, that we cannot live together"

Remember? that's what Jinha said and as a result be happy that these loosers are not within our borders.

India and Pakistan - progress comparisons

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:43 pm
by manuchabria
Yeah ... even though India and Pakistan are very similar there are ideological differences that make them take backward steps everytime

Luckily the Indian public has managed to keep our crazies (thakareys, etc) in check so far.

India and Pakistan - progress comparisons

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:54 pm
by Jaggudada
No we are not the same. Many pakis are finding what's common with Indians because of India's uprising. The same pakis will disassociate themselves when India is not doing well.

What pakis must know that if they didn't instigate Muslims in India, India would have had lot more billionaires.

The difference does not lie only in "they elect their leaders" but also in if you nurture a snake with the intent to bite others, then rest assuard that the very snake could give you a run for the money.

India and Pakistan - progress comparisons

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:04 pm
by Going_nowhere
Jaggudada;78305No we are not the same. Many pakis are finding what's common with Indians because of India's uprising. The same pakis will disassociate themselves when India is not doing well.
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True. There's nothing common between India and Pak and we are good as two countries. In fact there's nothing common between North and South India, and yet north reaps all of the benefits.

India and Pakistan - progress comparisons

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:10 pm
by Desi
KempeG;78298 Interesting article by a Pakistani writer:

Capital suggestion
By Dr Farrukh Saleem
12/9/2007

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What is it that Indians have and we don't?


Indians elect their leaders.[/quote]

Precisely. The political systems make for a big difference. When leaders are elected, there is a level of accountability or the electorate will kick them out. Granted, India has a large electorate that is undeducated or their vote gets purchased with saris, rice, etc., none the less, the elected leaders still have to kow tow to the electorate.

When the guy at the helm of the country self appoints himself, he has no one to worry about except the army. The politcal system flows from a very small set and dissent is stifled.

Pakistan systems of governance never saw the debates of the type that would take their country to a brighter future. Their forward movement (if it can be called that) was driven by army generals with scant regard for the general population, thus their industry, education, public policy, a nurturing environment emanating from the freedoms all suffered.

Even a country like China is granting the freedoms of entrepreneurship and adopting capitalistic systems.

Perhaps the title of the thread could have been more descriptive suchs as India and Pakistan's comparitive progress

India and Pakistan - progress comparisons

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:31 pm
by Going_nowhere
People in Sindh and NWFP have always been pro-India and been fascinated with India because they're considered outcasts or mohajirs in their own country.

India and Pakistan - progress comparisons

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:19 am
by mn_op
60 years is a very short period of time in the life of a nation. Pakistan, no doubt, is in turmoil and its troubles seem endless and we Indians don't beleive that they will ever come out of it. Indians are looking at Pakistan gleefully and crediting our democracy for our progress.

However, Pakistan is one Muslim country that can easily convert to democracy and show a real sign of progress if it gets a couple of good leaders in next couple of decades.

I am hopeful that Pakistan becomes a moe tolerent state so we can visit it and enjoy their Kabobs (I mean Kabob made by them :-)

India and Pakistan - progress comparisons

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:27 am
by KempeG
Desi;78314Perhaps the title of the thread could have been more descriptive suchs as India and Pakistan's comparitive progress[/quote]

You are right. Can it be done now? I could not figure out how to change it to what you suggested.

India and Pakistan - progress comparisons

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:31 am
by layman
It seems Pakistan's reputation flies high even in Wall Street!

"Prosecutors accused Hafiz Naseem, 37, of participating in a $7.5 million scheme to leak inside information about pending corporate takeovers by calling a friend in his native Pakistan, who then traded on the unlawful tips."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080204/bs_nm/insidertrading_trial_verdict_dc_2;_ylt=AoPPzNfkch0UZgWCvQ4fk6gE1vAI