Remarks by P.Chidambaram on Migrants

[boca]

"Crime takes place because Delhi attracts a large number of migrants" - P. Chidambaram

Irresponsible remark? A gaffe? Or, is there some truth to this non-PC (politically correct, that is) remark?

I have seen remarks by members on migrants on some thread. This is perhaps the first time I am hearing a central minister of repute voice his opinion openly.

His remarks -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krPBNSUxEAI

Later..."I made a matter-of-fact reference to migration, unauthorised settlements and behavior that is unacceptable." - P. Chidambaram

What was his government thinking, hosting the recent CWG? That there were plenty of labor to build/re-build the infrastructure? Didn't they know that there would be the migrant factor to such infrastructure development? Why didn't they care then, but cry now about unauthorized settlements? Is that the migrant's fault?

"I am acutely conscious that every one who comes to work in Delhi is, in a sense, a migrant. I am a migrant myself." - P. Chidambaram

Comparing himself to the laborer migrant, in any sense, is a joke. Mr. P. Chidambaram, you got a government villa as part of your migrant deal. What did your government provide for the laborer migrants? How about their kids? Does Delhi have enough schools to accommodate them?

[dbs]

He is correct.
He himself an immigrant is not squeaky clean. Just indirectly acknowledging it.
Then look at other immigrants - Raja, Kalmadi, Lalloo, etal.
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[Helios]

What was his government thinking, hosting the recent CWG? That there were plenty of labor to build/re-build the infrastructure? Didn't they know that there would be the migrant factor to such infrastructure development? Why didn't they care then, but cry now about unauthorized settlements? Is that the migrant's fault? [/quote]
Migrant's fault? The innocent migrant has developed a new hobby of raping, sir! Why isn't it as simple as: "You were brought here for work, get the money and get the hell out of here"? Why should the so called development be necessarily followed by permanent settlement of migrants in the city?

[quote]Comparing himself to the laborer migrant, in any sense, is a joke. Mr. P. Chidambaram, you got a government villa as part of your migrant deal. What did your government provide for the laborer migrants? How about their kids? Does Delhi have enough schools to accommodate them?

So it is a government's task to provide a villa to every migrant? Is it Delhi's responsibility to provide school to every migrant's kid? Is it Delhi's responsibility to not whimper even when suffering under the unbearable burden of migrant crimes? Does that justify the crimes done by migrants? Does that justify the fact that migrants increase crimes multi-fold?

Is it just a coincidence that many leaders are openly acknowledging that migrants are a menace? When would we be non-hypocritical enough to understand a very simple fact: It is impossible for the migrants with a different (non-existent?) culture to gel into a civilised society. It did not work in Mumbai, it did not work in Middle East, it did not work in Europe, and it ain't working in Delhi.

[boca]

foxbatneo, what are your thoughts on the policy of China with the migrant workers?

[VS007]

The innocent migrant has developed a new hobby of raping, sir!

Unlike rest of the word, most of the rapes in Delhi and Punjab are done by filthy wealthy yuppy farm house owning upper rich punjabis.

[Helios]

foxbatneo, what are your thoughts on the policy of China with the migrant workers?

Can you please post me a link about the policy? I am slightly out of date with the current affairs.

[Helios]

Unlike rest of the word, most of the rapes in Delhi and Punjab are done by filthy wealthy yuppy farm house owning upper rich punjabis.

And nobody would justify these as well. Having said that, this is not a question of filthy wealthy vs. filthy poor. What is meant by "most". Is it okay if "few" rapes are done by migrants?

Here is how the counter-logic normally appears: 1. Since India is a democratic(!) country(!!), everybody has a right to work anywhere. 2. Since nobody should take law in their own hands, it is responsibility of the state's/city's government machinery to tackle such menace. 3. In the mean time, the citizens should suffer because otherwise it would hurt the supporters of migrants.

So the whole onus of suffering and not raising a word is on the citizens and not on the migrants. The moment, the "migrant" word comes into play, these so called protectors of the constitution start screaming murder.

[boca]

Can you please post me a link about the policy? I am slightly out of date with the current affairs.

You may search for "China Migrant Policy" and read in detail about it.

The gist is below:
[quote]According to the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, China's migrant workers account for around 50 percent of the labor force in industrial and related sectors. They comprise almost 70 percent of the manufacturing labor force and 80 percent of China's construction labor force. Yet they don't enjoy equal rights as city dwellers because of household registration requirements. In other words, they work in and contribute to the cities where they live, but they essentially do not belong to the city.

China's household registration system has categorized citizens as urbanites or non-urbanites, which not only draws an artificial line between urban and rural residents, but also prevents the latter from migrating freely to cities. Critics say the restrictions will severely limit China's urbanization and domestic consumption if they are not changed.

Fortunately, the rules are changing. The proposal of China's Central Economic Conference in early December to give rural residents permanent urban residency sent a strong signal. Premier Wen Jiabao's call in late December for the reform of the household registration system will surely speed up the process.

Source: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/09tentopnews/2010-01/01/content_9248720.htm#name5[/quote]
Essentially, the way I have read about it, there is tight control with internal migration and the migrant workers from the rural areas don't have a status in the city. They get sent back to their villages upon completion of their work. I have read somewhere that they get sent back to home for holidays and vacations as well. Being that they don't have a status in the city, they can't bring their family/kids over. Something like the migrant laborers from India to the Middle East. They carry some identification in the city.

[honsum]

Data shows few migrant criminals

A look at the statistics available with Delhi Police gives an entirely different picture than what was portrayed by the home minister. More than 83% of people involved in crime this year were from Delhi while only 17% were found to be from outside Delhi.

Read more: Data shows few migrant criminals - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Data-shows-few-migrant-criminals/articleshow/7096028.cms#ixzz183kQcbks

[Helios]

Data shows few migrant criminals

A look at the statistics available with Delhi Police gives an entirely different picture than what was portrayed by the home minister. More than 83% of people involved in crime this year were from Delhi while only 17% were found to be from outside Delhi.

Read more: Data shows few migrant criminals - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Data-shows-few-migrant-criminals/articleshow/7096028.cms#ixzz183kQcbks

Only 17%? I heard that there were 600+ rapes this year in Delhi (two for a day!). That 17% amounts to 102 rapes. Is that figure insignificant to you?