Wow!! Very nice written thoughts! Agree with most of them. 70% of them applicable to me and that's why me too in process of moving back ...(rest 30% are not related because of the situation) The bottom line is due to something (somebody says population), the value of human being has reduced drastically. courtesy, respect, integrity are only in dreams and many of my friends even laugh at me saying you have unrealistic expectations from the society (LOL)
Good Luck!
R2A -- Moved back to the US.
R2A -- Moved back to the US.
Tsozum;463176This resulted in India team being an order taker with absolutely no ownership.
First of all Thanks for your clear post and a unique angle to reason R2I. I am sorry it did not work out. I am quoting your post partially to ask you if you could get over this point of "No ownership" and if you can explain How.
R2A -- Moved back to the US.
guptaj;463484gatanesakharam Thanks for taking time to share your experience and I can understand your frustration.Did you live in Mumbai before you moved to US ? I am wondering what is your benchmark that you are comparing againstYes I did live in Mumbai for two year. My experience is certainly forged by the experiences I lived through there. Perhaps it would have been different had had it been Bangalore or Hyderabad or other places. Honestly I dont have a bench mark or reference point. Speaking to my friends who returned to Bangalore dont seem to complain about RE prices and rent and overall cleanliness as I did about Mumbai. However professionally I felt few of them were just as unsatisfied as I was. I am certain that every one's experience will be different. I find lot of people contemplating. I would advise them not to tear their hair apart thinking through and would tell them to execute the action. If it works out -- Awesome. If it doesnt then just come back. Why go back and forth?
R2A -- Moved back to the US.
Froogle;463495First of all Thanks for your clear post and a unique angle to reason R2I. I am sorry it did not work out. I am quoting your post partially to ask you if you could get over this point of "No ownership" and if you can explain How.When I say no ownership I mean no ultimate say in the product or application. The application owner was in the US and had the business relationship. The india team was relegated to a staff supplementation org where people worked on projects as "extended teams". The leads had to poke their nose to stay relevant and had no decision rights as long as there was an alpha male in the US who took control. That said while this was majority there were minority few managers who engaged India teams as equals and gave equal opportunity. But that an exception rather than norm. As you move higher up it gets even harder and it feels like you have to keep coming up with creative BS to stay relevant in the org. The CIO and CAO and other guys -- the type of stuff they deal with or execute at times seems silly or irrelavant to broader organizational vision or goals
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Its not a matter of US or India, but a general adage that power always reside at or near the head quarters.
In all financial firms(IT side) I worked at be it JPM, Lehman etc, the London, Tokyo teams felt the same way even though they had the same title, sometimes even more pay, but ultimate powers to make any decision always resided with NY as the CTO, CIO sat here and the local higher managers alwats had personal access to them which they never had. In case of any conflict, they local ones would always throw statements like Jerry(fictional name of CTO) kinda wants the firm to go that way instantly silencing everyone on the conf call.
In all financial firms(IT side) I worked at be it JPM, Lehman etc, the London, Tokyo teams felt the same way even though they had the same title, sometimes even more pay, but ultimate powers to make any decision always resided with NY as the CTO, CIO sat here and the local higher managers alwats had personal access to them which they never had. In case of any conflict, they local ones would always throw statements like Jerry(fictional name of CTO) kinda wants the firm to go that way instantly silencing everyone on the conf call.
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R2A -- Moved back to the US.
^^^ VS007
You make a good point. Though it may change from firm to firm or team to team. But a team/person that is ultimately accountable/responsible ought to and usually does have the decision making powers. I manage teams in US and China. And over last few years I have seen the change in thinking among team in China. Initially they were happy playing extended team role. But now they want more independednt role (not necessarily a decision making but kind of 'let us handle few things on our own' type). Ownership/decision making remains with those who are ultimately accountable for delivery.
You make a good point. Though it may change from firm to firm or team to team. But a team/person that is ultimately accountable/responsible ought to and usually does have the decision making powers. I manage teams in US and China. And over last few years I have seen the change in thinking among team in China. Initially they were happy playing extended team role. But now they want more independednt role (not necessarily a decision making but kind of 'let us handle few things on our own' type). Ownership/decision making remains with those who are ultimately accountable for delivery.