Some have R2I thoughts due to failures in US?

[crazyforger]

I see a good number of people having R2I thoughts due to disappointment towards what they have become.

Instead of fighting to improve our lives, we tend to see that the grass is greener on the other side.


If you don't have a good circle,make some or move.
If you don't have a good job,change.

Cause, you would face similar situations in India where we will have to fight to get what we need. Life isn't easy.
Never give up.

[GutsyGibbon]

I see a good number of people having R2I thoughts due to disappointment towards what they have become.

Some - as in 1%??? or does it matter?

On the flipside - I see the same to be true for people who find success. When the startup I worked for got acquired, and I hit a (small) jackpot. I bought an apartment in Bengaluru, and had serious R2I thoughts. I had a good internal transfer offer lined up, but decided to wait for USC. My colleague, returned after the acquisition, and is now doing very well in leadership roles. I have another friend who is now the India CEO for a major German Auto company. All I am left with is a USC and a 3 minute commute to go do easy work :)

We should not under estimate the hunger that comes with success. Both Financial success and social standing. Some of my friends who returned are leading teams of 5k people. The lure of chasing the India growth is real, and several people catch the wave in both countries.

One can get caught in the downturn faced by industries. If the downturn coincides with a bad immigration status, smart successful executives call it quits. It is the same with several European countries. There is disappointment, but no personal responsibility in the situation. There is unprecedented chaos in this area. This is not something that one can fight out of.

Also general comment - dont kick someone when they are down!

[cantor]

I have similar sentiments as GG. Some of my classmates who had street smarts have managed to climb the corporate ladder in India with ease and are running 1000 member organizations. Others academically astute came to US and joined big corporations and belong strictly to the middle management, the roles that lack any level of creativity and chances of hitting big are probabilistically minimal. They can work their whole life doing small time releases, maintenance work and retire with a decent net worth, but will never have the lime light, financially or socially. I was one of those who was neither academically great nor street smart and languished in middle management role. I had some trading success, but nothing to elevate to the next level. I wonder if I can even call myself a success. I then come to realize that opportunities mean something to only those snatch them and make something out of them. And in any situations there are always factors that are in your favor.

[kumm]

Minimalist movement is catching on. Too much is not good. Global warming and environmental degradation is the consequence.

To show off and catching up with Jones es will only lead to dissatisfaction. More vehicles than licensed drivers, many TV sets, devices and big houses on credit and such excess will create trouble not just for the person indulging but also for the society as a whole.

There is a an urgent need to curb this consumerist culture and chasing dollars/rupees and 'success' and look for what is really needed and call it quits after achieving that. Modesty is a very desirable quality.

[wd40]

I see a good number of people having R2I thoughts due to disappointment towards what they have become.

Instead of fighting to improve our lives, we tend to see that the grass is greener on the other side.


If you don't have a good circle,make some or move.
If you don't have a good job,change.

Cause, you would face similar situations in India where we will have to fight to get what we need. Life isn't easy.
Never give up.

I don't know about US, but I have similar thoughts about Singapore. To me leading a life in a developed country is like driving on the German autobahn. You cannot slow down else you will get hit from behind. I don't see the need to keep going at this pace. I think it is better to go to a developed country, make some good bucks and then come back to India and enjoy a relaxed life. Life is easy in India, if you have low expectations.

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[vapasi1]

People R2ing should seriously consider some entreprunerial venture. Opportunity is good.
I do not see much value in people returning to join the 9to5 gring in whatever capacity. Leading a 10 member team doing good innovative stuff in US is far more satisfying than leading a 1k team. I am saying this after having spent almost a decade and a half in a role that is neither highly innovative nor a top leadership one. My bosses who lead team sizes of 2k to 5k dont really do anything that would be considered as making a difference. Those are shitty glorified roles only requiring manipulative and political skills.

[R2MyOldWorld]

Minimalist movement is catching on. Too much is not good. Global warming and environmental degradation is the consequence.

To show off and catching up with Jones es will only lead to dissatisfaction. More vehicles than licensed drivers, many TV sets, devices and big houses on credit and such excess will create trouble not just for the person indulging but also for the society as a whole.

There is a an urgent need to curb this consumerist culture and chasing dollars/rupees and 'success' and look for what is really needed and call it quits after achieving that. Modesty is a very desirable quality.

i think being minimalist and ambitious are not mutually exclusive. I am somewhat minimalist but do have that desire to rise in corporate ladder (though not at the cost of family life, so it’s tricky and am currently happy with mid management role). I think I would enjoy the entrepreneurial life in India but then there is more to R2I than just that. Hence I will be enjoying 9 to 5 work in the land of honey and milk for some time :)

[kumm]

i think being minimalist and ambitious are not mutually exclusive.

How can you be a minimalist and ambitious? Oxymoronic. Minimalists cut down on everything to bare minimum... Many of them sleep on floor and futon, ride their bicycle and avoid spending money on McMansions generally watchful of their carbon footprint. Its the very opposite of being ambitious which is to add more and more stuff and then vie to climb up the corporate ladder to support this lifestyle. Minimalists value experience, relationships and are more 'dharmic' while ambitious people are more fixated on 'titles' and 'roles' and generally care what others think of them. For example it is well established fact that owning a super car is to make a statement to others. Same with many other material objects.

[cantor]

People R2ing should seriously consider some entreprunerial venture. Opportunity is good.
I do not see much value in people returning to join the 9to5 gring in whatever capacity. Leading a 10 member team doing good innovative stuff in US is far more satisfying than leading a 1k team. I am saying this after having spent almost a decade and a half in a role that is neither highly innovative nor a top leadership one. My bosses who lead team sizes of 2k to 5k dont really do anything that would be considered as making a difference. Those are shitty glorified roles only requiring manipulative and political skills.

Do you really think that in US in many corporations, the top bosses do much ? All they do is take advantage of their position and connections to retain their power long term. May be only 5% of the publicly traded companies are different. It's a well networked gang and they scratch each other's back very well. If you don't belong to the cabal, they would spit you out of despite your motivations and sincerity to commit to the cause.

[crazyforger]

Some - as in 1%??? or does it matter?

On the flipside - I see the same to be true for people who find success. When the startup I worked for got acquired, and I hit a (small) jackpot. I bought an apartment in Bengaluru, and had serious R2I thoughts. I had a good internal transfer offer lined up, but decided to wait for USC. My colleague, returned after the acquisition, and is now doing very well in leadership roles. I have another friend who is now the India CEO for a major German Auto company. All I am left with is a USC and a 3 minute commute to go do easy work :)

We should not under estimate the hunger that comes with success. Both Financial success and social standing. Some of my friends who returned are leading teams of 5k people. The lure of chasing the India growth is real, and several people catch the wave in both countries.

One can get caught in the downturn faced by industries. If the downturn coincides with a bad immigration status, smart successful executives call it quits. It is the same with several European countries. There is disappointment, but no personal responsibility in the situation. There is unprecedented chaos in this area. This is not something that one can fight out of.

Also general comment - dont kick someone when they are down!

I say probably 30-40%.
I see many threads being created by people who have wrong idea about US but just afraid to take the steps to make their lives better.

Adding fuel to the fire are those replying to the same thinking that they are actually helping them.

This is spoiling the environment of this forum.

One needs to understand the context and the person behind the post before giving out opinions/suggestions.