Is it possible to really clean up India?

MastanAgain · Post by **MastanAgain** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:56 am

After reading this, a subversive thought crept into my head. Is it possible to actually clean up, as in the garbage, rubble and general unsightly shit that is nearly everywhere in India? If Sikkim can do it, why can't the rest of India?

What are your thoughts on the matter?

After deliberating for a while I think that if it can be done at all, it has to be done by Indians. Unlike Cambodia (by no means clean (filthy, actually) but still cleaner than India) and other countries in the region, Indians won't take well to foreign intervention. Simple things such as telling people to chew with their mouths closed is often construed to be offensive. So it has to be a kind of psychological influencing program, done very subtly to bring about the necessary change. But there needs to be something more than grass-roots based, because others have tried that and not gotten far. Infrastructure is clearly needed, things like modern garbage trucks, clean toilets, clean public water dispensers. But even if they are brought in, how will we get people to adopt them? Everyone knows about the many Indians who prefer to piss on the walls of public urinals than use the actual toilets inside. On second thoughts, is foreign intervention really that bad an idea? It may arouse people's curiosity if they see a Gora driving a garbage truck or standing outside a urinal or near a water dispenser. And why not? The private NGO workers (non UN) in Cambodia make only about $1000/mo. Some people even pay for the privilege of working in an NGO.

Vivekananda · Post by **Vivekananda** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:55 am

I have passed by a public garbage dump in Hyderabad coming down the lower tank bund road for several decades in an otherwise decent middle class educated neighborhood. Huge area with overflowing garbage probably collected from the neighborhood homes...I always would have the same thought each time I passed by it...what would it take to clean it up? There almost needs to be a massive intervention on multiple fronts. Lots of small cans like in New York city, combined with a set of companies that can advertise on any receptacles or machines that can be used to clean it up. Individuals, and companies need to be provided incentives to operate in the garbage business. I am sure that there is some kind of equipment to recycle the garbage.

rajradio · Post by **rajradio** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:04 am

The only solution is privatization of all cleaning services. But govt is busy arresting college kids on sedition to pass any meaningful resolution or any useful law. Black money, gst reform, swach Bharat are all waiting for the pm to get some time off his ultra Hindu agenda of arresting dissenting voices

VS007 · Post by **VS007** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:11 am

rajradio;623860Black money, gst reform, swach Bharat are all waiting for the pm to get some time off his ultra Hindu agenda of arresting dissenting voices

Agree on GST reform, PM will get to it eventually.
But I am confused about members complaining about cleaning up India!
He has already cleaned it up!Acche din has come on that front -

Proof -

vapasi1 · Post by **vapasi1** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:22 am

Here is how Mysore, the cleanest city in India, did it:

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/how-mysuru-topped-the-swachch-bharat-list-as-indias-cleanest-city-1205762

[QUOTE]There is a lot, say officials, that Mysuru has done to top the list. Open defecation has almost stopped in this city of 12 lakh, they claim.

The city has also focused on solid waste management. Mysuru processes 402 tonnes of waste every day, much of it at nine zero waste management plants jointly managed in a public private partnership.

Some have questioned the ranking. Must be BJP guys:) because COng rules the state

[QUOTE]Many Mysureans said they are proud of the good work being done, but others say parts of the city are still dirty and some have even questioned the ranking.

Tourism by foreigners also plays a big part in forcing the city to be clean and most foreigners visit for Yoga. So may be Baba Ramdev can open Yoga chain like Tawalkar's and help bring some cleanliness:) But then we know who will cry hoarse - it will imposition of Hindutva by Modi. BTW, Modi visited Mysuru recently.

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Read this too:

http://www.rediff.com/getahead/report/achievers-how-two-21-year-olds-plan-to-make-bharat-swachh/20160223.htm

rvomyet · Post by **rvomyet** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:24 am

What if a city stopped garbage collection services and asks the citizens to just deal with it. Wouldn't they start recycling, composting to get to zero waste. Also city should not be allowed to ship garbage outside the local community. NIMBY will make sure we clean up.

MastanAgain · Post by **MastanAgain** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:35 pm

rvomyet;623863What if a city stopped garbage collection services and asks the citizens to just deal with it. Wouldn't they start recycling, composting to get to zero waste. Also city should not be allowed to ship garbage outside the local community. NIMBY will make sure we clean up.

Sadly, I really doubt if this would work. Because what you just described is all or most of Cambodia outside of Phnom Penh, Sihanoukville & Siam Reap. Garbage just piles up everywhere on the side of the roads, the beaches, literally everywhere. As there is no one to come and pick it up. Without trying to be mean, I think that the Cambodians, unlike many Indians, do not particularly want to or enjoy living amidst all of that garbage. Theirs is a problem of infrastructure, poverty and top-down corruption. In India it seems to be totally behavioral/the people choose to live with garbage.

okonomi · Post by **okonomi** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:47 pm

MastanAgain;623901Sadly, I really doubt if this would work. ....

This is a very strange comment from a member who wanted nothing to do with India just a few weeks ago. Let that sewer go and ferment ....was the sentiment a few weeks ago.

What had happened ? member MastanAgain wanted to know how to get shipments of prepared Indian food, and now, wants to know how to clean up that forsaken nation. What is the problem ? What had changed ? Why wouldn't he let the fatherland alone ?

India can evolve the way Adam Smith had foretold. Individual self-interest would guide the way things need to be done, and on cumulating of all those individual actions, there will be a national way to do things. Be dirty, be clean, or be in-between.

In every crowded country, the population contributes ways and means to kill off a percent of the weak in its own multitude. They do it, by just being the way they are. Mr Rogers recommends that one ought to be the way that one is... no? ...... It is good for the future generations.

Escaped emigres ought to mind their own bizness, and get whatever prepared foods they want using DHL or FedEx. The GoI may be working on a very fine tuned method to get an optimum cleanliness that is good for a strategic population control for the nation.

If a guy is eating a toxic vada-paav in a street corner food-staall, from a dirty dish, cleaned in water that is diluted with the urine of the vada-paav chef, would that be the consumer's last meal ? Probably not. He may have to eat hundreds of such dishes to kick the bucket. Is the guy working at cross purposes with the national plan for population control ? We would never know !!

Indian is a mysterious country. That is why people want to visit and know how it works. That is why people want to avoid it and happy to not know what it is about.

Anees · Post by **Anees** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:11 pm

rajradio;623860The only solution is privatization of all cleaning services. But govt is busy arresting college kids on sedition to pass any meaningful resolution or any useful law. Black money, gst reform, swach Bharat are all waiting for the pm to get some time off his ultra Hindu agenda of arresting dissenting voices

Lol. This is exactly what blind Modi haters want you to believe. Their agenda is to drag Modi into useless stuff day in day out. Stop Modi from doing anything good. Stop GST in parliament. Get channels to black out any positive stuff. Drum up Vemula, Dadri or Kanhaiya and fill the air time of channels with unproductive stuff.

Check a sample what was keeping Modi Govt busy while the haters were busy with Kanhaiya ..when the incident was a simple police case of sedition and should have left Police and judiciary to do the job.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/policy/make-in-india-week-gets-rs-15-2-lakh-crore-investment-commitments/articleshow/51040369.cms

MastanAgain · Post by **MastanAgain** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:49 pm

okonomi;623902
If a guy is eating a toxic vada-paav in a street corner food-staall, from a dirty dish, cleaned in water that is diluted with the urine of the vada-paav chef

Exaggerated stereotype.