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Everyday tons of chicken are driven around in cramped lorries, killed and enjoyed - and there is no daya/sympathy for them from these people. They find a lorry with cows, and they have so much filth in their head that they have absolutely no daya/sympathy for the human who was driving the lorry.
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/201798/lorry-driver-dies-being-thrown.html

People who establish the guidelines/priorities for such organizations (Akhila Karnataka Prani Daya Sangha) should be held accountable.

Cow is holy in India and you are bashing India. Cow is Go-Mata. It is like mother. It gives so much and expects nothing in return. Whenever I see a cow on the street I prostrate and worship it on the street. Anyway, wait till Kirks comes up with his pictures.

layman,
Thanks for the heads up. Perhaps if I start appreciating the freedom enjoyed by the Akhila Karnataka Prani Daya Sangha, and their efforts to protect the holy mother god, I could earn some brownie points.

Fact is that cow is also food for other citizens. These organizations are trying to rub other minorities the wrong way, using their majority power to cut off their food supply. Slaughter is already banned in 6 states, now they want to cut off transport to other states where they can be slaughtered. I am not an expert on these legal aspects, but I am pretty sure beating and pushing another human off a bridge is illegal, and should be frowned upon.

PS: The seekh kabab with pudina chutney sold in muslim neighborhoods is pretty awesome. (see I can be very positive)

Good topic. I must post this article from times of India to further inflame passions on this thread.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2003-08-24/all-that-matters/27174666_1_cow-slaughter-heifer-beef-consumption

[QUOTE]But I go further. I hold that cow slaughter and beef eating are proven Hindu traditions of old. This has been recorded by any number of scholars of the Vedas and epics. Let me give as an example Nirad Chaudhuri's passages from The Continent of Circle.

Vedic literature shows great love for and pride in cattle, as is to be expected of a pastoral people. Love of cows in the Vedas goes with "every possible economic use of cattle, including, of course, their slaughter for food". The Vedic spirit continues into the age when epics like the Ramayana and Mahabharata were written.


Chaudhuri notes that a debate had already begun between those who opposed and those who defended cow slaughter. The two ideas co-existed, very much like the debate today about vegetarianism. The Mahabharata mentions, "without thinking it necessary to add any excuse, that a very hospitable king used to have 20,100 cattle slaughtered every day for his guests." On the other hand, another story tells of a king who has slaughtered a cow to entertain a sage, an act that is criticised as sinful by another sage.


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layman;421560..... and you are bashing India. ......

Amusing !!! However, where cow is loved a lot more is arguable... e.g., check this out from our neck of the woods....where it can lonesome in the country side and when warm weather comes at long last...and body parts thaw out... love is everywhere...:
http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/162/WI/US/

okonomi;421581Amusing !!! However, where cow is loved a lot more is arguable... e.g., check this out from our neck of the woods....where it can lonesome in the country side and when warm weather comes at long last...and body parts thaw out... love is everywhere...:
http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/162/WI/US/

Animals being abused is pretty much a non issue here. The issue I was highlighting is that of organizations with religious agenda that may be carrying out acts of violence. Taking the law enforcement into their own hands. The media does not even go to the extent of following up on the story.

This is much different from the mob beating up the first person they catch running after a robbery, or an accident. Here they are reacting out of anger about the situation and mob mentality. But the issue in this topic is of pre-planned and organized crime with a hidden agenda, with absolutely no value for human life.

GutsyGibbon;421786Animals being abused is pretty much a non issue here. The issue I was highlighting is that of organizations with religious agenda that may be carrying out acts of violence. Taking the law enforcement into their own hands. The media does not even go to the extent of following up on the story.

This is much different from the mob beating up the first person they catch running after a robbery, or an accident. Here they are reacting out of anger about the situation and mob mentality. But the issue in this topic is of pre-planned and organized crime with a hidden agenda, with absolutely no value for human life.

What makes you think there was a religious agenda or the organization is a religious one? A google search of their name reveals that they are involved in preserving animal rights + they oppose animal slaughter even for Hindu festivals.

http://www.hindu.com/2009/03/20/stories/2009032052280300.htm

http://expressbuzz.com/cities/bangalore/Pets-to-get-burial-spots-in-the-city/324006.html

They seem to me like an organization like PETA...do you have any links that suggest that they are religiously motivated and act only in the case of preventing cow slaughter? Or do you intend to discuss the issue of ban on cow slaughter due to Hindu sentiments? If the latter, then that's fine too. Just that I am not sure if this particular case is related to the specific issue of ban on cow slaughter...(in other words, it is not clear to me they did what they did ONLY because cows were being ferried and wouldn't have done anything if pigs/chicken were being ferried). At first reading it seems to me like a case of over-zealous alleged animal activists taking law in their hand.
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In this case of the lorry driver, if indeed it was their members, they must be tried for murder. Period.
The press has reported news -
http://m.timesofindia.com/PDATOI/articleshow/10588471.cms

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Bangalore/article2593869.ece

I get utterly irritated when some jack rear end cow owners let their assets rule the road in Chennai roads during peak traffic time. They used to sit right on the median and have caused so many two wheeler accidents as drivers work their ways around these cows. Buffaloes are even worse. Even if you honk for hours they would never move an inch. Total bums and morons these cow owners are. Sometimes there is a whole family of them. These irresponsible idiot owners pay a small fee to the local police and non one cares. One end we have metro rail with Wi-Fi and the other end cows are let loose by some scum bags who themselves should be promptly put in Jail and fed grass and fodder :mad:

GutsyGibbon;421551Everyday tons of chicken are driven around in cramped lorries, killed and enjoyed - and there is no daya/sympathy for them from these people. They find a lorry with cows, and they have so much filth in their head ....

One day, out of the blue I got this call.

"Sir, how are you doing today"

"Fine, Thank you"

"We are calling from ISKON. We are saving cows from going to slaughter house and we have established a home for old cows.

"OK"

"How much do you want to donate to save the cows?"

"Why do you want to save the cows?"

"Because they are sacred. And, if we don't do so it will end up in slaughterhouse"

"But, what about the pigs, shouldn't they be saved also?"

A pause on the other end.

"Sir, First we will save the cow"

"No, first let us save the pig"

The person at the other end getting angry and murmuring something and hanging up. Maybe, he was saying that I am angry at myself or I have unpaid dues. I couldn't hear the murmuring part.

So, don't have high hopes. There are well educated desis in the neck of our woods jacking up the hamburger price with their selective sympathy for cows.

Sarkar07;421844What makes you think there was a religious agenda or the organization is a religious one? A google search of their name reveals that they are involved in preserving animal rights + they oppose animal slaughter even for Hindu festivals.

I am making a few assumptions, and I am willing to change my position if there is proof otherwise. The coordinator for this NGO is Dayananda Swamiji. AFAIK, they are the local chapter of the CPF - Cow Protection Force. I think they are also called the Rapid Cow Protection Force backed by RSS. 3 years back, I was driving near Ramanagara around Ramzan, the CPF people had blocked a truck with cows, and were stopping all cars and vehicles. They checked my wife's mangalya/black bead chain and let us go. Some of them wore saffron headbands with "Om" and a red tilaka. I will try to look up more info that links CPF and AKPDS.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Bangalore/article2593869.ece?css=print
"In a statement, A.J. Khan of the Karnataka Dalit and Minorities Sene condemned the attack and demanded compensation for Krishnappa's family. “Strict action should be taken against Prani Daya Sangha for the immoral attack. They have been involved in previous attacks, especially before Bakrid festival,” he said. "

CPF related - http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/nov/07bash.htm

If CPF/AKPDS is a nonviolent secular organization that has been falsely accused - I stand corrected, and would like to apologize for starting a thread on this topic. Admins can close the thread.