Desi;179545Yup. It is not adulterated even with a speck of truth, logic or reason, hence unadulterated, 100% shudh (pure) nonsense.LOL well said !!!
Karma: Nonsense or as solid as laws of Physics
Karma: Nonsense or as solid as laws of Physics
Karma: Nonsense or as solid as laws of Physics
Parking this recent study on "Randomness, Attributions of Arousal, and Belief in God (or Karma)"
Thought it to be relevant in the context of the discussion about randomness with an instance of Air France posted by someone on this thread earlier.
[quote]Beliefs in God, or similar spiritual forces, have permeated every culture the world has seen, past or present (Atran & Norenzayan, 2004). Although there are likely many reasons why such beliefs are so strongly held (Kirkpatrick, 1998; Norenzayan & Hansen, 2006), attempts to cope with perceptions of randomness may be a key factor. Randomness is presumed to be highly aversive (Pennebaker & Stone, 2004), and people will go to considerable lengths to reaffirm order in the face of evidence to the contrary (e.g., by blaming victims of random misfortune or seeing patterns in random arrays; Jost, Banaji, & Nosek, 2004; Lerner, 1980; Whitson & Galinsky, 2008; also see Heine, Proulx, & Vohs, 2006). Affirming the existence of a controlling God, therefore, may provide an excellent means for insulating oneself from the aversive arousal associated with randomness. However, no experimental test of this hypothesis exists....
Discussion
Experimental investigations of the psychological underpinnings of religious belief remain relatively rare, despite the clear societal consequences and prevalence of such beliefs, and despite the contribution that this research can make to researchers? understanding of basic psychological processes. Using a novel combination of experimental methodologies, we observed that participants primed with randomness-related words exhibited heightened beliefs in spiritual control compared with participants primed with negatively valenced control words. This effect disappeared when participants were given the opportunity to attribute the cause of any arousal they experienced to a pill ingested earlier in the session. These data suggest that belief in supernatural sources of control, such as God and karma, may function, in part, to defend against distress associated with randomness, even when the perception of randomness is not related to traumatic events. [/quote]"I accept chaos, but I am not sure if it accepts me." - Bob Dylan
Thought it to be relevant in the context of the discussion about randomness with an instance of Air France posted by someone on this thread earlier.
[quote]Beliefs in God, or similar spiritual forces, have permeated every culture the world has seen, past or present (Atran & Norenzayan, 2004). Although there are likely many reasons why such beliefs are so strongly held (Kirkpatrick, 1998; Norenzayan & Hansen, 2006), attempts to cope with perceptions of randomness may be a key factor. Randomness is presumed to be highly aversive (Pennebaker & Stone, 2004), and people will go to considerable lengths to reaffirm order in the face of evidence to the contrary (e.g., by blaming victims of random misfortune or seeing patterns in random arrays; Jost, Banaji, & Nosek, 2004; Lerner, 1980; Whitson & Galinsky, 2008; also see Heine, Proulx, & Vohs, 2006). Affirming the existence of a controlling God, therefore, may provide an excellent means for insulating oneself from the aversive arousal associated with randomness. However, no experimental test of this hypothesis exists....
Discussion
Experimental investigations of the psychological underpinnings of religious belief remain relatively rare, despite the clear societal consequences and prevalence of such beliefs, and despite the contribution that this research can make to researchers? understanding of basic psychological processes. Using a novel combination of experimental methodologies, we observed that participants primed with randomness-related words exhibited heightened beliefs in spiritual control compared with participants primed with negatively valenced control words. This effect disappeared when participants were given the opportunity to attribute the cause of any arousal they experienced to a pill ingested earlier in the session. These data suggest that belief in supernatural sources of control, such as God and karma, may function, in part, to defend against distress associated with randomness, even when the perception of randomness is not related to traumatic events. [/quote]"I accept chaos, but I am not sure if it accepts me." - Bob Dylan
Karma: Nonsense or as solid as laws of Physics
Desi;179460A lot of people believe in this stuff Karma which I consider unadulterated nonsense.
Why people believe in nonsense >>>>
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Confirmation bias >> accept hits, ignore misses.
Dont miss the last two minutes on the below video.
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Karma: Nonsense or as solid as laws of Physics
Well concept of Karma isn't exact science and probably misunderstood. There is not a doubt of size of an atom, that one would be held accountable for his/her every actions, How and when one would receive results of his/her actions, No one can predict. It's in Lord's hand, He might give it in this world or next or on the day of Judgement. He knows best, There is no better Judge or Executioner than Him.
People who try to portray this as science are fools. Not everyone who is bad, receive punishment in this world and not everyone who's good, receive rewards in this life. We see horrible people enjoying the world and nice people suffering, It's all part of Grand plan and in the end everyone who succeeded in this world's examination, Would know that none of it was random. If concept of Karma was like physics, nothing bad would ever happen. We all are born with different talents and God being the Greatest give us trials based on them and judge us according to them. It's world who gives fish a task of climbing the tree, So fish will keep thinking that it's handicap.
People who try to portray this as science are fools. Not everyone who is bad, receive punishment in this world and not everyone who's good, receive rewards in this life. We see horrible people enjoying the world and nice people suffering, It's all part of Grand plan and in the end everyone who succeeded in this world's examination, Would know that none of it was random. If concept of Karma was like physics, nothing bad would ever happen. We all are born with different talents and God being the Greatest give us trials based on them and judge us according to them. It's world who gives fish a task of climbing the tree, So fish will keep thinking that it's handicap.
Karma: Nonsense or as solid as laws of Physics
I do not believe in Karma but I do enjoy the YouTube karma road rage videos.
https://youtu.be/oTRIcDzZZWo
https://youtu.be/oTRIcDzZZWo
Karma: Nonsense or as solid as laws of Physics
Dovahkiin;676903Well concept of Karma isn't exact science and probably misunderstood. There is not a doubt of size of an atom, that one would be held accountable for his/her every actions, How and when one would receive results of his/her actions, No one can predict. It's in Lord's hand, He might give it in this world or next or on the day of Judgement. He knows best, There is no better Judge or Executioner than Him.
People who try to portray this as science are fools. Not everyone who is bad, receive punishment in this world and not everyone who's good, receive rewards in this life. We see horrible people enjoying the world and nice people suffering, It's all part of Grand plan and in the end everyone who succeeded in this world's examination, Would know that none of it was random. If concept of Karma was like physics, nothing bad would ever happen. We all are born with different talents and God being the Greatest give us trials based on them and judge us according to them. It's world who gives fish a task of climbing the tree, So fish will keep thinking that it's handicap.
[video=youtube;anlrmZ5efrE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anlrmZ5efrE[/video]
Whatever it is , Zakir Naik has confirmed I'm going to hell . Look at the way he uses "logic" to convince people ..LoL
Karma: Nonsense or as solid as laws of Physics
desi4ever;676956[video=youtube;anlrmZ5efrE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anlrmZ5efrE[/video]
Whatever it is , Zakir Naik has confirmed I'm going to hell . Look at the way he uses "logic" to convince people ..LoL
I always said that only Sin (among sins committed against God) which is unforgivable in front of God, is ascribing partners to Him or Worshiping anyone other than Him. Other than Muslims, Jews also follow strict monotheism, Sikh who still believe in original teaching of Guru Nanak follow monotheism, Christians who don't believe in trinity and Worship only God are also monotheist. Many Hindu also observe strict monotheism and monotheism might exist in forms we can't imagine and God knows best. But You are right, Polytheism and Idol worshiping seem as far from Firm monotheism as it can look (even further than Atheism) and I can't advise anyone to do this.
Every other Prophet was for his people and every other book was revealed for those people, Quran was revealed for whole of Mankind for eternity, Quran calls Believers not just Muslims. Previous Books of God were for a group of people, for a period of time. i.e. Bible was revealed for Children of Israel for a time period. Many might argue that How I can prove this, Answer is simple every other book after it's time period was corrupted by Humans (i.e. Changed words/introduced new verses/omitted many verses), If you take a copy of any religious scripture (other than Quran) from now and another copy from like 50 years ago, You will find great discrepancies. There are many different versions of many scriptures running simultaneously. No One can corrupt something God doesn't want them to corrupt. On the other hand, There are two copies of Quran available out of Eight first ever written copies of Entire Quran (complied during time of 2nd Caliph, When thousands of people who memorized entire Quran from Prophet himself, were alive), You can compare any Printed Copy of Quran with these oldest complete copies and you won't find a comma out of place.
So I believe Since Quran calls to believers (not just Muslims), God himself promises in Quran that He would protect Quran from any corruptions and that promise is fulfilled even 1400 years later, It means It's a Book of God and for whole of creation for eternity. I know these points are not ironclad But as Ironclad as religious things can be.
Karma: Nonsense or as solid as laws of Physics
Is there only one God & is He only the God of humans? Do other 8 million + species also follow this same God? To keep things in context, does Karma apply to these other species. I'm assuming it does because some 99% of species have already become extinct, possibly because of bad karma, most probably because of human's bad karma.
Considering that every human born on this planet, now has some bad environmental impact, is that classified as bad karma by God? After all, we are destroying something or if it is for our survival, then is it ok? Who classifies whether that is good or bad karma? Right from the gadgets we use, the appliances, the cars we drive and now, all this use of plastic - everything has some or the other bad effect. Does that fall under bad Karma? Is all this written in any religious book - 21st century edition maybe?
All this means - each one of us is doing some or the other bad karma. That means, we also need to offset that, which is harder because when trying to offset it, you will still be doing some bad karma. Hard to keep track. Many must be thinking - to hell with it, let's just all go to hell.
Considering that every human born on this planet, now has some bad environmental impact, is that classified as bad karma by God? After all, we are destroying something or if it is for our survival, then is it ok? Who classifies whether that is good or bad karma? Right from the gadgets we use, the appliances, the cars we drive and now, all this use of plastic - everything has some or the other bad effect. Does that fall under bad Karma? Is all this written in any religious book - 21st century edition maybe?
All this means - each one of us is doing some or the other bad karma. That means, we also need to offset that, which is harder because when trying to offset it, you will still be doing some bad karma. Hard to keep track. Many must be thinking - to hell with it, let's just all go to hell.
Karma: Nonsense or as solid as laws of Physics
pnq2012;676965Is there only one God & is He only the God of humans? Do other 8 million + species also follow this same God? To keep things in context, does Karma apply to these other species. I'm assuming it does because some 99% of species have already become extinct, possibly because of bad karma, most probably because of human's bad karma.
Considering that every human born on this planet, now has some bad environmental impact, is that classified as bad karma by God? After all, we are destroying something or if it is for our survival, then is it ok? Who classifies whether that is good or bad karma? Right from the gadgets we use, the appliances, the cars we drive and now, all this use of plastic - everything has some or the other bad effect. Does that fall under bad Karma? Is all this written in any religious book - 21st century edition maybe?
All this means - each one of us is doing some or the other bad karma. That means, we also need to offset that, which is harder because when trying to offset it, you will still be doing some bad karma. Hard to keep track. Many must be thinking - to hell with it, let's just all go to hell.
God is sole Creator and Sustainer of entire universe and whatever is beyond that, Whatever we know and whatever we doesn't know. Currently in our realm, We are under Trial, Jinn is another species under trial simultaneously but in different plane. So lower creatures with just Ed part of personality might exhibit little freedom of Choice, But they are not under trail and lack ego, Super Ego and advance free will, which comes with these parts of personality.
99% of species who ever lived on this planet are already extinct, Almost all due to natural causes (few in last centuries by human actions as well). We shouldn't concern ourselves too much about that (except those who are becoming extinct due to human greed), We should see God's will and work in it, that how there is seeds of creation in every destruction and how everything which is created would be destroyed. Animals/plants died ages ago, turned into fossil fuel for us to use. Similarly countless stars died in supernova explosions to spread seed of creation to countless new star systems, Our sun is a small star, It can only fuse hydrogen atoms to helium and no other elements which are key to life. All life forms on earth is carbon based. Our entire body can be broken down into chemical composition of different elements, our each cell contain 100 trillion atoms, and we have about 35-40 trillion cells in our body. These countless atoms were formed in core of thousands probably millions of stars, which died ages ago and yet part of them are alive in our body.
Since animals lack advance free will, SO I think Karma wouldn't effect them (as people think). I would call Good deeds and bad deeds here, (Karma is not right word here because it try to portray itself as a science and we all know it isn't science). If you wanna know what's right and what's wrong, just put yourself in shoes of the person who would be effected with your action, If you feel from his perspective it's right then there is good chance that it could be right. In reality situations might be far complex, But it's a good starting point. If you sincerely wanna refrain from bad deeds, God will show you the path.
About modern advances, It's about how you use them. Use them for good cause, It's a good deed and vise versa.
Karma: Nonsense or as solid as laws of Physics
Dovahkiin;676960I always said that only Sin (among sins committed against God) which is unforgivable in front of God, is ascribing partners to Him or Worshiping anyone other than Him. Other than Muslims, Jews also follow strict monotheism, Sikh who still believe in original teaching of Guru Nanak follow monotheism, Christians who don't believe in trinity and Worship only God are also monotheist. Many Hindu also observe strict monotheism and monotheism might exist in forms we can't imagine and God knows best. But You are right, Polytheism and Idol worshiping seem as far from Firm monotheism as it can look (even further than Atheism) and I can't advise anyone to do this.
Every other Prophet was for his people and every other book was revealed for those people, Quran was revealed for whole of Mankind for eternity, Quran calls Believers not just Muslims. Previous Books of God were for a group of people, for a period of time. i.e. Bible was revealed for Children of Israel for a time period. Many might argue that How I can prove this, Answer is simple every other book after it's time period was corrupted by Humans (i.e. Changed words/introduced new verses/omitted many verses), If you take a copy of any religious scripture (other than Quran) from now and another copy from like 50 years ago, You will find great discrepancies. There are many different versions of many scriptures running simultaneously. No One can corrupt something God doesn't want them to corrupt. On the other hand, There are two copies of Quran available out of Eight first ever written copies of Entire Quran (complied during time of 2nd Caliph, When thousands of people who memorized entire Quran from Prophet himself, were alive), You can compare any Printed Copy of Quran with these oldest complete copies and you won't find a comma out of place.
So I believe Since Quran calls to believers (not just Muslims), God himself promises in Quran that He would protect Quran from any corruptions and that promise is fulfilled even 1400 years later, It means It's a Book of God and for whole of creation for eternity. I know these points are not ironclad But as Ironclad as religious things can be.
Let me be more clear. I WILL continue to worship MANY Gods and Goddesses in the form of IDOL WORSHIP . I REJECT Mohammed as a messenger of God. My definition of God is DIFFERENT from yours and I dont mind going to hell for God I believe in :) Sorry for the digress. Let me stick to the topic now. Its ridiculous to interpret Karma theory using Science. Oh Where is one's Karma recorded ? Is it stored in a non volatile storage ? What's the capacity of the storage ? What material is storage made of ? NAND flash technology ? What's the source of power and how much power is consumed in this storage ? How is the Karmic data extracted and interpreted from the storage ? I can go on and ask such "logical questions" , but there is no logic in this approach.