25 Facts about INDIA

[expfun123]

I think both sides have good points. Although the original post had got carried away on some points like the no invasion I still think there have been some wrong accusations on our past. if people still believe in the Aryan invasion and all that rubbish max muller had written about our past then ur just as a big as fool as him. Even max muller himself admitted to have portraying wrong facts. People forget there is always politics going on while writing history. The British wrote our history(which is our fault letting them and STILL not challenging what they have wrote about us which is so wrong and in itself our fault) and they wrote it make native India seem primitive. Its sad we have gobbled up all the BS they fed us but politics still plays strong and we arent working hard enough to fix our own past which is again Indias fault for not doing so. Vedic civilization is definetly the world oldest . Putting the start of civilization in India at 2500 BC is a foolish mistake made by the yesteryear historians which kids still learn. Vedic civilization was much more advanced and much older than we recognize now in our history books but on the bright side there is research being done to change this but with all the politics that go on in India I find it hard anything srs being done any time soon.
At the same time we Indians, whenever attacked about our current state of being, always bring up our glorious past and what used to be. that is wrong. be proud of ur past but at the same dont ignore whats going on now just because we were once the greatest civilization. no.Lack of education in India has bought so many problems.(Its funny because the very ppl who left India in such a state wrote our history) If i may bring back a scene from Swades which summarizes this point. its http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0RPXSAlkcM where shah rukh khan bashes the whole thinking that its okay to think everything is okay because we have our tradition. We need to start taking resp for the problems that are right now.

[R2I-2010]

25 Facts about INDIA
2. India never invaded any country in her last 10000 years of history.

Not sure about the validity of other points, but I will be one proud Indian if all of them are valid, except for #2. Yes India never invaded any country but it let everybody invade herself (including moguls, british, portugese and what not), what is in that to be so proud of? Its so shameful.

[indigoyogi]

Not sure about the validity of other points, but I will be one proud Indian if all of them are valid, except for #2. Yes India never invaded any country but it let everybody invade herself (including moguls, british, portugese and what not), what is in that to be so proud of? Its so shameful.

From King Ashoka and afterwards, there were several kings that adopted a rather pacifist world view because of a very high influence of Buddhism. This resulted in lack of war time preparation and gradually made the country, that we call India now, weak.

Coupled that with the fact that, for the first time, Indian kings had to fight with other kings that didn't believe the following dictums.
1) Do not attack women, children or the infirm.
2) Do not use subterfuge in war.

Shivaji was the first popular one to use subterfuge and was the most successful against the moghul because of that. We can include Krishna in this as well, if members believe in Krishna's existence.

Reason being, if there is a code of conduct, all parties must honor that. One party following faithfully while the other doesn't, will ring a death bell for the former.

Nothing wrong with the pacifist approach of Buddha.. If only the entire world will follow him and renounce wars and weapons . We have more violence in our mind than we actually do to others. There were so many social reformations that happened because of Buddha. But I think, the pacifist approach of kings resulted in their lack of attention to warfare and weapons.

A Buddha was needed for a society that has corroded. I have only given what I think are the reasons for why India was occupied.

[indigoyogi]

deleted. duplicate post.

[gwldaddu]

22. India is one of the few countries in the World, which gained independence without violence

I take this as an offense to millions of freedom fighters who gave away their life. And yes, they were fighting, not just following Gandhiji.

Gandhiji might have made a big contribution to our independence, but he was not the only contributor.

Bhagat Singh, Subash Chandra Bose... well so many to name here.. had equal contribution. Yes, they were fighting and not following "non violence". As much as I am a big fan of Non Violence, I believe that our indepence was not possible without violent protests..

[KirKS]

Shivaji was the first popular one to use subterfuge and was the most successful against the moghul because of that. We can include Krishna in this as well, if members believe in Krishna's existence.

You need to talk about Chanakya (aka Kautilya). Recently, I read a few Pakistani writeups & followed a few discussions in Paki forums. I was trying to find out what Pakis talk about when they blame R&AW for all terrorism in Pakistan. I was amazed to see that they revere Chanakya and his strategies more than any Indian party, journalist, news anchor or defense commentator.

Here is one. Just count how many times this writeup talks about Chanakya -niti!

Raw at War-Genesis of Secret Agencies in Ancient India
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-history/33917-raw-war-genesis-secret-agencies-ancient-india.html

[QUOTE]RAW is basically a Secret Service established to perform clandestine operations based on the Chanakyan principles of deceit and guile. It has successfully destabilised neighbouring countries, disintegrated independent states and backed the most notorious guerrilla organizations to achieve its ends. If it is compared to other intelligence agencies of the region, it emerges as an aggressive, cold-blooded and ruthless institution, engaged in the most macabre deeds.

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I take this as an offense to millions of freedom fighters who gave away their life. And yes, they were fighting, not just following Gandhiji. Gandhiji might have made a big contribution to our independence, but he was not the only contributor.

History is often the winner's version. Nehru & Subhash were running parallel struggle using vastly different ideologies. But since Nehru was accepted by Gandhi whereas Subhash wasn't you will hear that kind of generalization.

[mn_op]

You need to talk about Chanakya (aka Kautilya). Recently, I read a few Pakistani writeups & followed a few discussions in Paki forums. I was trying to find out what Pakis talk about when they blame R&AW for all terrorism in Pakistan. I was amazed to see that they revere Chanakya and his strategies more than any Indian party, journalist, news anchor or defense commentator.

I have seen many Pakistani writers who blame Indians of following 'Chanakya Niti' and being 'unscrupulus baniyas'. I suspect that this importance to Mr Koutilya stems from some of their history books...
Well, if thats the case, Chanakya must be wondering how he got more popular in Pakistan (as villain) than in India (as a hero)

[boca]

Recently, I read a few Pakistani writeups & followed a few discussions in Paki forums. I was trying to find out what Pakis talk about when they blame R&AW for all terrorism in Pakistan. I was amazed to see that they revere Chanakya and his strategies more than any Indian party, journalist, news anchor or defense commentator. [/quote]
LOL. That forum has Indians participating. Check the flags under the user. :)

[gwldaddu]

Shivaji was the first popular one to use subterfuge and was the most successful against the moghul because of that. We can include Krishna in this as well, if members believe in Krishna's existence.

Agreed. Also, if you believe in Ramayana, then Lord Rama killed Bali "chup chup" ke. The argument was that rules do not apply when a human is fighting with a monkey. Well, there was no human, it was Lord v/s Monkey. Also, rules are rules, Maryada is Maryada. Monkey or no monkey..

No offense to any religion. Just putting facts with no ill motives..


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History is often the winner's version. Nehru & Subhash were running parallel struggle using vastly different ideologies. But since Nehru was accepted by Gandhi whereas Subhash wasn't you will hear that kind of generalization.

[R2I-2019]

LOL. That forum has Indians participating. Check the flags under the user. :)

Going by the length of post, it makes me wonder if its our beloved Admin note: stop focusing on member too much.