Concept of God

gainvidya · Post by **gainvidya** » Fri May 27, 2011 10:19 pm

Well summarised concept of God (not god(s)).

http://ourpurpose.co.uk/the_creator_section

Desi · Post by **Desi** » Fri May 27, 2011 10:31 pm

gainvidya;391164Well summarised concept of God (not god(s)).

http://ourpurpose.co.uk/the_creator_section

Let me show you how silly that link is.

The following is a quote from the link.
[QUOTE]
Can you think of anything in the universe that was not created, that has no beginning and no end?

The answer is no.

Then it goes on to imagine and define a creator and arbitrarily assigns attributes to it stating that it was not created and has no beginning and no end contradicting its above statement.

The following is another quote from the link where it assigns attributes to an imagined "creator".
[QUOTE]

It does not have a beginning

It does not have an end

It was not created, it is everlasting

The "It" in above refers to "creator". The link has contradicted itself (the sentence in red font above) by saying there is something with no beginning and no end.

The "First cause" as a powerful, knowledgeable creator is a futile, self defeating, losing argument.

Rajram · Post by **Rajram** » Sat May 28, 2011 1:19 am

The link does not about one other possibility without violating the "three rules of creation". That possibility is, two or more things coming into existence by mutually creating one another at the same time (don't ask me how) :). In this case you don't need a creator that defies the attributes of rest of the universe. If big bang (if true) may have happened this way.

gainvidya · Post by **gainvidya** » Sat May 28, 2011 4:35 am

Desi;391169
The "First cause" as a powerful, knowledgeable creator is a futile, self defeating, losing argument.

Desi, You are confusing yourself. Try reading the article again, you may get it, it is not rocket science to understand this. If not then it reminds me of the following verse

Say: (It is) the truth from the Lord of you (all). Then whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve. [18:29]

And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he might make (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise. [14:4]

Desi · Post by **Desi** » Sat May 28, 2011 4:46 am

gainvidya;391224Desi try reading the article again, you may get it. It is not rocket science to understand this.

Once is enough. I agree that what was in the article is not rocket science, in fact not even close.

gainvidya;391224 If not then it reminds me of the following verse

Say: (It is) the truth from the Lord of you (all). Then whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve. [18:29]

And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he might make (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise. [14:4]

:). Damn, did Allah let me go astray - oh, so be it.

Sorry, Gainvidya, this concept of "God" is all imagined up and very illogical to me.

dixit · Post by **dixit** » Sat May 28, 2011 11:50 am

gainvidya;391224Desi, You are confusing yourself. Try reading the article again, you may get it, it is not rocket science.............

Yep, it's definitely not science

P_Jani · Post by **P_Jani** » Sat May 28, 2011 9:09 pm

The whole thing is,
in this theory of creation and creator, the most confusing part here is,
that even if you believe that, if the creator made this world in seven days just like the Bible says, and ofcourse by that three letter word GOD, - the most powerful, omni-present and with all of those other "Mr. Omni" labels carrying, the one and the ONLY, so Almighty,......

How it could be, that his creation can not be perfect ?
Once the creation is completed, That's it. It should have gone through NO changes.

But as we know, it has gone through the evoltion, for earth, human and also all other animals hav ebeen evolved years after years !!
How it could be possible, of such a sloppy work from a Perfectionist ?

Here is an interesting vdo from Achaarya Rajneesh on this. His logic also makes sense, someplace. No ?

[video=youtube;hhjOnYbKJJw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhjOnYbKJJw&feature=relmfu[/video]>><<[video=youtube;31WdaBusl2Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31WdaBusl2Q[/video]

Need to listen to OSHO for some more to it, here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBEIeRSLb8k&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0H5JnNXpTM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiAxHyTtmkU

Summing up,
I think, so far we have to stay with the science, which explains in a so small video clip (below) of only 4 min, how it all started. :)
( Big Bang occurred, stars created, formed a group among themselves called galaxy, planets formatted – by joining the pieces together, got revolution and it gave them the spherical shapes, universe went on expanding, meteor and steroid strikes, water was created, clouds formatted, atmosphere, H2O and O2 came, amino acid, protein, DVA and other chemicals got together, unique cells created in the water, one cell animals ameba came, cells divided n' multiplied, multi cells created another animals, and then various small/big animals, dinousars came and go, frog, monkey, apes, and finally the human, walking straight upright on the face of the planet, rain water came, trees came, fire invented, fear of eclipses we overcame, families gathered, developments and buildings on the earth-face, civilization and modernization, and,.. all the way,...... till the date of today ! - That’s how the creation took place. Sorry, No creator was there in the picture. )

here

:thup:

gainvidya · Post by **gainvidya** » Sun May 29, 2011 5:39 pm

Desi;391226. Damn, did Allah let me go astray - oh, so be it.

No. You willed not to search for the truth and every human will be accountable for his own will.

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Sun May 29, 2011 11:40 pm

gainvidya;391342every human will be accountable for his own will.

What about the rest half of the population of earth?

Desi · Post by **Desi** » Mon May 30, 2011 3:49 am

gainvidya;391342No. You willed not to search for the truth and every human will be accountable for his own will.

I thought you quoted:

Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise. [14:4]

Does this not mean, that the mighty and wise Allah sendeth people astray or guideth them whom he will. So when I "willed" not to search, it was because the Allah sent me astray.